WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: ru-RU 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:20.000 DEPARTMENT EPISODE 2 The documentary project of Alexander Arkhangelsky 1 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:29.100 Alexander Pyatigorsky: - Only complete historical idiots do not understand that the terrible Stalinist terror was possible 2 00:00:29.100 --> 00:00:32.900 because, in a figurative sense 3 00:00:32.900 --> 00:00:37.900 (this needs to be deciphered), these people were 4 00:00:37.900 --> 00:00:40.400 ready to be killed and tortured. 5 00:00:40.400 --> 00:00:43.400 In a sense, they wanted to. 6 00:00:54.400 --> 00:00:59.500 Merab Mamardashvili: - And when a society or country falls out of history and time, 7 00:00:59.500 --> 00:01:03.600 then animate and humanlike creatures 8 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:14.000 appear in it. They are products of imitation of what has broken, got sick or disappeared. 9 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:15.900 Boris Grushin: - In the first year, 10 00:01:15.900 --> 00:01:18.600 one student was arrested, in the second year, 11 00:01:18.600 --> 00:01:21.100 a second student (from our course) was arrested, in the third year 12 00:01:21.100 --> 00:01:22.800 they were arrested... And, God knows why. 13 00:01:22.800 --> 00:01:24.500 For what we didn't know. 14 00:01:24.500 --> 00:01:27.000 But for all that, there was a very 15 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:29.500 serious ferment in the minds, I would say. 16 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:33.600 The post-war Soviet history was a continuous history of miracles. 17 00:01:34.600 --> 00:01:39.200 From nothing came something, from non-existence was born being. 18 00:01:41.700 --> 00:01:45.200 20 years before the establishment of the Institute of the International Labor Movement, 19 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:50.800 the self-birth of free thought occurred at the Faculty of Philosophy of Moscow State University, 20 00:01:50.800 --> 00:01:53.800 at the end of the Stalinist era, in the midst 21 00:01:53.800 --> 00:01:57.100 of its suicidal agony. t was then and there 22 00:01:57.100 --> 00:02:01.000 that the future leaders of the IILM, their colleagues and 23 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:06.200 allies met, came together and became friends, a thinking generation 24 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:09.300 was formed, a multi-move romance about love, about the love of 25 00:02:09.300 --> 00:02:11.800 knowledge and reflection began. 00:02:09.300 --> 00:02:21.400 SEPARATION: HARBINGER OF THE DEPARTMENT 26 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:27.900 The end of the forties. The old university building on Mokhovaya Street. On the first floor there 27 00:02:27.900 --> 00:02:31.400 is a law school, on the second floor there are philosophers and psychologists. 28 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:35.900 This building has been standing for a century and a half. Herzen and Ogarev, 29 00:02:35.900 --> 00:02:39.700 Lermontov and Belinsky, Turgenev and Chekhov studied here. 30 00:02:39.700 --> 00:02:44.100 Among the newly enrolled students are the son of a Georgian colonelа 31 00:02:44.100 --> 00:02:48.200 Merab Mamardashvili, the grandson of a Russian Red Army soldier Yuri Karyakin, 32 00:02:48.200 --> 00:02:53.100 and a shy provincial intellectual Yuri Levada. He came 33 00:02:53.100 --> 00:02:57.100 from Vinnytsia. He is fluent in Ukrainian and Polish. 34 00:02:57.100 --> 00:03:01.400 Georgy Shchedrovitsky is an ambitious native of the engineering nomenclature layer. 35 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:04.000 He studied at the physics faculty with brilliance for two years, 36 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.600 but dropped out to learn the deep structure of the world. 37 00:03:07.600 --> 00:03:11.100 A little older are Alexander Pyatigorsky and Boris Grushin. 38 00:03:11.100 --> 00:03:14.000 All of them are sure in advance that someday the era 39 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.600 will be aka with their names. And, it seems, they 40 00:03:16.600 --> 00:03:20.100 have not yet understood where they were brought-into the desert, 41 00:03:20.100 --> 00:03:21.000 where the dashing authorities roam. 42 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:29.700 Nelly Motroshilova, Doctor of Philosophy, wife of Yuri Zamoshkin: - Did you know that Joseph Vissarionovich appointed Mitin and Yudin as academicians? 43 00:03:29.700 --> 00:03:33.300 He asked them - this is a reliable fact: "And what, 44 00:03:33.300 --> 00:03:35.600 comrades Mitin and Yudin, isn't it time 45 00:03:35.600 --> 00:03:40.300 for you to become academicians?" Yudin modestly said that 46 00:03:40.300 --> 00:03:43.800 he would probably have become a сorresponding member, and Mitin 47 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:45.500 did not even show this modesty. 48 00:03:45.500 --> 00:03:48.400 So they became Stalinist academicians. 49 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:54.600 The Chairman of the Management Board, Academician Mitin, made a large report 50 00:03:54.600 --> 00:03:59.100 on the work of the Company. The congress was held under the slogan: "knowledge to the masses". 51 00:04:00.100 --> 00:04:03.900 Real philosophers have nowhere to come from, everyone 52 00:04:03.900 --> 00:04:07.800 is either expelled or imprisoned. Alexey Losev and Valentin Asmus 53 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:11.800 miraculously survived. Occasionally there are young honest 54 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:15.800 Marxists like Theodor Oizerman. But the profession is cut off 55 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.000 at the root and there is complete chaos in the minds 56 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:21.800 of the younger generation. Even the skeptical Yuri Levada 57 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:25.600 calls his first-born son Volodya in honor of the greatest 58 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.800 philosopher of all time, Lenin. 59 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:36.100 Yuri Karyakin: - And suddenly everything fell into place for me after reading the Communist manifesto. 60 00:04:36.100 --> 00:04:40.100 Of course, I'm parodying a little, but a little. 61 00:04:40.100 --> 00:04:45.000 In fact, it was so. Well, now everything has become clear. 62 00:04:45.700 --> 00:04:53.500 This is a monstrous temptation to achieve the truth in the simplest way. 63 00:04:53.500 --> 00:04:58.400 Not by labor, but immediately by communion. 64 00:04:58.400 --> 00:05:01.300 This is the injection I got him. 65 00:05:01.300 --> 00:05:08.800 Irina Zorina, Candidate of Historical Sciences, wife of Yuri Karyakin: - The dark times of the seventies have already come. A young correspondent calls him from 66 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:13.900 Komsomolskaya Pravda and asks him to tell about the years of his youth, 67 00:05:13.900 --> 00:05:17.100 about his university years. And he says to her so 68 00:05:17.100 --> 00:05:19.300 gloomily: "Do you understand, girl, what were 69 00:05:19.300 --> 00:05:24.400 the years? I had a good pot (heads), and 70 00:05:24.400 --> 00:05:27.900 they cooked shit in this pot for a long, long time. 71 00:05:27.900 --> 00:05:31.400 I'm picking at it all the time, picking it out 72 00:05:31.400 --> 00:05:33.000 and still haven't picked it out to the end." 73 00:05:34.400 --> 00:05:37.800 But it would seem that they saw everything, knew everything. They should 74 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:40.600 have had no illusions. Levada came under distribution 75 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:44.000 for hanging a portrait of two cosmopolitans, 76 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:48.200 Marx and Spinoza. Karl Kantor had to go through 77 00:05:48.200 --> 00:05:53.300 a pogrom meeting. The speakers called for Judas to be shot. 78 00:05:53.300 --> 00:05:56.300 The mildest demand was to exclude him from the Party and 79 00:05:56.300 --> 00:05:57.600 expel him from the university. 80 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:08.600 Vladimir Kantor, Doctor of Philosophy: - Two people were not afraid - Sasha Zinoviev, who said a wonderful phrase that his father remembered forever: "Karl, 81 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.200 are you a Jew?" The father said, " Yes." 82 00:06:11.200 --> 00:06:12.900 "You'll be smarter next time," said Zinoviev. 83 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:15.900 What should have happened that just ten years later 84 00:06:15.900 --> 00:06:19.200 Merab Mamardashvili began to argue with Sartre on equal terms, 85 00:06:19.200 --> 00:06:22.800 Grushin created the first sociological service in the USSR, 86 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:26.600 Levada wrote the only monograph on the sociology of religion, 87 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:30.000 and the young Buddhologist Pyatigorsky became 88 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.800 the compiler of a Tamil-Russian dictionary? 89 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:38.600 Oleg Genisaretsky, Doctor of Art History, Deputy Director of the Institute of Philosophy of the Russian Academy of Sciences: - The living comes from the living, according to Vernadsky, the spiritual comes from the spiritual 90 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:43.100 and thought comes from thought. Merab Konstantinovich formulated it this way: 91 00:06:43.100 --> 00:06:47.900 "Development comes from development." 00:06:47.900 --> 00:06:52.000 CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PLACE AND PLACE THE YEARS 1946-1954 92 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:57.100 Winston Churchill delivers the Fulton speech. The beginning of the Cold War. 93 00:06:57.100 --> 00:06:59.900 The USSR introduced a decree on the collective 94 00:06:59.900 --> 00:07:03.600 responsibility of peoples and adopted a devastating resolution of the Central Committee 95 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:08.200 on the magazines Leningrad and Zvezda. The Marshall Plan begins to operate. 96 00:07:08.200 --> 00:07:12.300 Heidegger issues a letter on humanism, protesting 97 00:07:12.300 --> 00:07:17.500 against existentialism. Geneticists were defeated at the session of the All-Union Academy of Agricultural Sciences named after Lenin. 98 00:07:17.500 --> 00:07:23.400 The President of the Academy Trofim Denisovich Lysenko made a report on the situation in biological science. 99 00:07:23.400 --> 00:07:27.200 "A progressive biological science," said Comrade Lysenko. 100 00:07:27.200 --> 00:07:32.100 "it's indebted to the geniuses of mankind, Lenin and Stalin, so that the teaching 101 00:07:32.100 --> 00:07:38.000 about the transformation of wildlife for the benefit of the Soviet people will enter the treasury of our knowledge with a golden fund." 102 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:43.100 The struggle against rootless cosmopolitanism began. A nuclear bomb has been tested. 103 00:07:43.100 --> 00:07:47.400 The newspaper Pravda published an article by Comrade 104 00:07:47.400 --> 00:07:50.000 Stalin "Marxism and questions of Linguistics". 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:56.000 GREATCOATS OF EVALD AND SASHKA 105 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:04.600 The faculty classrooms and dormitories of the late forties resembled a mixture of a university 106 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.200 and a military unit. People in jackets and tunics 107 00:08:07.200 --> 00:08:09.900 with medals and orders were sitting 108 00:08:09.900 --> 00:08:12.400 on the benches. Many of them, having passed through 109 00:08:12.400 --> 00:08:15.300 death, received an inoculation of freedom. It was 110 00:08:15.300 --> 00:08:18.400 as if the plugs had been knocked out of their minds. They looked 111 00:08:18.400 --> 00:08:20.900 at life directly, coldly, angrily. 112 00:08:23.900 --> 00:08:26.400 Olga Zinovieva, widow of Alexander Zinoviev: - Two veterans who appeared at the Faculty of Philosophy-Evald Ilyenkov and Alexander 113 00:08:26.400 --> 00:08:29.700 Zinoviev, they, of course, created such prominences around themselves. 114 00:08:29.700 --> 00:08:32.200 They saw things that others did not see. 115 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:38.500 Alexander Zinoviev: - I was discharged already in 46. Well, and then a curious 116 00:08:38.500 --> 00:08:43.100 thing happened, again characterizing my unusual fate. 117 00:08:43.100 --> 00:08:46.200 It came to Krasovsky himself, the commander 118 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:49.700 of the 2nd Air Army. He called me: "We 119 00:08:49.700 --> 00:08:52.800 will send you to a bomber regiment." I say, " No. 120 00:08:52.800 --> 00:08:57.300 It doesn't fit." He: "A flight commander." I say, " No. Well, what are you. 121 00:08:57.300 --> 00:08:59.900 I don't want to, it's not enough for me." "We'll send you to 122 00:08:59.900 --> 00:09:02.200 the Academy." I said,"That's not enough for me." 123 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:04.700 "Did you want to become a general?" I tell him: 124 00:09:04.700 --> 00:09:07.600 "It's not enough for me." He: "So what do you want?" 125 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:12.700 I said: "I want to win my own life battle." 126 00:09:12.700 --> 00:09:16.500 It was they, Zinoviev and Ilyenkov, who were both fond 127 00:09:16.500 --> 00:09:20.300 of caricature, who led their young contemporaries. Where to? 128 00:09:20.300 --> 00:09:26.400 To take an unclouded Marxism. They were united by a romantic 129 00:09:26.400 --> 00:09:28.800 passion for knowledge. Everything else was different: 130 00:09:28.800 --> 00:09:33.000 both character and origin. Ilyenkov is the son of 131 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:35.900 a prosperous Soviet writer. He lived in a luxurious, 132 00:09:35.900 --> 00:09:38.900 at that time, apartment in the passage of the art theater. 133 00:09:38.900 --> 00:09:43.000 Zinoviev is the 6th child in a peasant Chukhloma family. 134 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.900 He spent his youth in a damp basement room on Sukharevka. 135 00:09:45.900 --> 00:09:49.500 8 people per 10 meters. Both studied 136 00:09:49.500 --> 00:09:53.200 at the IFLA, the only pre-war institution where they gave a normal 137 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:58.000 humanitarian education. Ilyenkov is nervous, refined. 138 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.200 Zinoviev is as straight as a shot at point-blank range. 139 00:10:02.100 --> 00:10:07.800 Olga Zinovieva, widow of Alexander Zinoviev: - It was very simple in the category of ratings. Never 140 00:10:07.800 --> 00:10:10.100 be equal, for example, to the weak, but only to the strong. 141 00:10:10.100 --> 00:10:15.000 "No pull-ups of weak. I focus only on the strong. 142 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.300 Moreover, I'm not saying that you will go 143 00:10:17.300 --> 00:10:19.500 with me. I'm going ahead, if you want 144 00:10:19.500 --> 00:10:21.900 to come with me. I'm not calling you. 145 00:10:21.900 --> 00:10:24.000 I don't insist. But don't complain later." 146 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:29.200 Nelly Motroshilova, Doctor of Philosophy, widow of Yuri Zamoshkin: - You know, if you had to point at a person and say, 147 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:32.500 " Here he is a philosopher." Then Ilyenkov 148 00:10:32.500 --> 00:10:39.100 approached this more than many others. Unfortunately, 149 00:10:39.100 --> 00:10:46.300 he drank more than he should have. This made his life 150 00:10:46.300 --> 00:10:50.500 more difficult, but he was a philosopher by the grace of God. 151 00:10:50.500 --> 00:10:54.200 He was an absolutely fanatical fan of Wagner. 152 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:59.900 He invited us to his house. We listened to these operas. 153 00:10:59.900 --> 00:11:03.000 The meeting with the dialectician Ilyenkov and the logician 154 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.900 Zinoviev predetermined a lot in the fate of their younger 155 00:11:05.900 --> 00:11:10.200 contemporaries, who did not fight, did not know the metaphysics of total death. 156 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:15.000 Torn out of the intellectual context, confused by ideology, 157 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:18.800 they believed the front-line soldiers and began to bite into Marx anew. 158 00:11:18.800 --> 00:11:21.300 Moreover, not only future philosophers, 159 00:11:21.300 --> 00:11:24.300 but also the sculptor Ernst Neizvestny, who entered 160 00:11:24.300 --> 00:11:27.800 the faculty to listen to lectures by Ilyenkov and Zinoviev. 161 00:11:27.800 --> 00:11:30.700 It was as if they had been left a crack in the iron wall. 162 00:11:30.700 --> 00:11:38.700 Erich Soloviev, Doctor of Philosophy, Chief Researcher at the Institute of Philosophy of the Russian Academy of Sciences: - Post-war boys disappeared at the faculty. 163 00:11:38.700 --> 00:11:45.600 And their medals and their snobbish ways disappeared. 164 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:52.800 But in the locker room, where the post-war coats were hanging, two greatcoats 165 00:11:52.800 --> 00:11:56.900 suddenly appeared - the greatcoats of Ewald and Sasha. 166 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:03.800 They are, by experience, fathers to us, 167 00:12:03.800 --> 00:12:10.800 they are, by age, brothers. They are freedom samples to us 168 00:12:10.800 --> 00:12:16.500 in the face of drill and surveillance. Other songs 169 00:12:16.500 --> 00:12:23.100 rang and other books began. Inside the Marxist citadel 170 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:27.900 before dissidence, dissidents have been since they came out 171 00:12:27.900 --> 00:12:32.200 of the greatcoat - the greatcoat of Ewald and Sashka. 172 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:38.200 Later, Erich Solovyov will closely study the history of the German Reformation. And then 173 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.000 he will come up with an analogy. Just as 174 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.200 Luther once opposed Holy Scripture to church tradition, so 175 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:49.300 Zinoviev and especially Ilyenkov opposed the living Marx 176 00:12:49.300 --> 00:12:50.900 to the deadness of Marxism. 177 00:12:53.300 --> 00:13:03.600 Oleg Genisaretsky, Doctor of Art History, Deputy Director of the Institute of Philosophy of the Russian Academy of Sciences: - Alexander Alexandrovich had been coming to the Institute of Philosophy and, well, defiantly had been offering to characters like 178 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:08.400 Academician Mitin and Yudin some translated quote from early Marx 179 00:13:08.400 --> 00:13:12.800 from the original language. He had been offering to answer the question: "Is it materialism 180 00:13:12.800 --> 00:13:15.100 or idealism?" They all had been saying together: "Idealism." 181 00:13:15.100 --> 00:13:18.200 Vladimir Zinchenko, Doctor of Psychological Sciences, Academician of RAO: - Marx has such a phrase that 182 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:23.500 philosophers earlier only explained the world, and 183 00:13:23.500 --> 00:13:26.500 the whole task is to remake it. 184 00:13:26.500 --> 00:13:30.800 And Zinoviev or one of them said: 185 00:13:30.800 --> 00:13:33.800 "Philosophers used to only explain the world, 186 00:13:33.800 --> 00:13:36.500 but now they can't even do that." 187 00:13:36.500 --> 00:13:40.000 So, through the mediation of Marx, the young replenishment grew into 188 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:45.500 the philosophical tradition. Everything happened according to the formula of the poet Vladislav Khodasevich. 189 00:13:45.500 --> 00:13:48.800 "I instilled a classic rose in a Soviet wildling." 190 00:13:48.800 --> 00:13:51.400 They entered the profession through the back 191 00:13:51.400 --> 00:13:54.600 door during Stalin's lifetime, on the eve of the "Doctors' 192 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:58.100 Case", long before Khrushchev's report at the twentieth Congress. 193 00:13:58.100 --> 00:14:01.300 Thanks to their older peers, they lost 194 00:14:01.300 --> 00:14:05.000 their fear before the deadline - the fear of thinking independently 195 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.000 and the fear of calling a spade a spade. 196 00:14:10.400 --> 00:14:15.800 Irina Zorina, Candidate of Historical Sciences, wife of Yuri Karyakin: - Scientific supervisor Shchipanov and another outstanding Soviet philosopher 197 00:14:15.800 --> 00:14:21.600 Iovchuk, it turns out, plagiarized their dissertations and, moreover, 198 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:25.900 were involved in the imprisonment of those people who 199 00:14:25.900 --> 00:14:33.000 worked on the problems of Russian philosophy. And the courageous 200 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:38.300 guys - Karjakin, his friend Primak, then begin 201 00:14:38.300 --> 00:14:44.500 their research, bring it to the end and show 202 00:14:44.500 --> 00:14:47.800 what they have plagiarized and what their teachers 203 00:14:47.800 --> 00:14:53.700 should be responsible for. And suddenly teacher Shchipanov (56th 204 00:14:53.700 --> 00:14:58.600 year) says to Karyakin: "A year earlier you should have been 205 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:04.000 camp dust. Yes, we are too late." 206 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:09.400 - "Ivan Yakimovich Shchipanov is a thief of the most original fools," they were talking at the faculty. 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:16.400 HEARTS OF FOUR 207 00:15:16.400 --> 00:15:18.700 Courage is courage. Front-line experience is 208 00:15:18.700 --> 00:15:21.500 front-line experience. Marx is Marx. But if they 209 00:15:21.500 --> 00:15:23.900 had only read into Capital, the tradition 210 00:15:23.900 --> 00:15:29.600 of independent philosophizing would not have been resurrected. In the 52nd year, Georgy 211 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:33.000 Shchedrovitsky will come into the Komsomol Committee, where Zinoviev 212 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.600 was drawing a wall newspaper "For the Leninist Style". 213 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:41.200 They will have a fierce dispute about Capital. The dispute lasted 8 hours. 214 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:45.300 They decided to have a drink and argue after. The conversations continued. 215 00:15:45.300 --> 00:15:47.800 Boris Grushin and Merab Mamardashvili got involved in them. 216 00:15:47.800 --> 00:15:51.700 The venue for the discussion was the pubs on Pushkinskaya No. 1 217 00:15:51.700 --> 00:15:55.000 and on Kirovskaya. They wandered around Moscow 218 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:57.000 and talked about how formal logic 219 00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:59.800 would do nothing in the analysis of thinking. We need 220 00:15:59.800 --> 00:16:03.900 other categories, a different logical approach, without psychological 221 00:16:03.900 --> 00:16:08.200 substitutions, without Talmudic constructions. So spontaneously formed 222 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.700 the Moscow Logic circle, which is now customary to write 223 00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:14.500 about in encyclopedias. And for years to come, 224 00:16:14.500 --> 00:16:18.000 a contradictory, but firm male friendship began. 225 00:16:19.800 --> 00:16:24.800 Natalia Grushina, widow of Boris Grushin: - It was a man's friendship. They forgot everything - families, affairs. 226 00:16:24.800 --> 00:16:29.500 affairs. They gathered every evening and just 227 00:16:29.500 --> 00:16:35.900 enjoyed the mutual company of intelligent, in their 228 00:16:35.900 --> 00:16:40.000 circle, absolutely free, young and happy people. 229 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:45.400 - Like four people. These are different trajectories 230 00:16:45.400 --> 00:16:48.000 of movement, the problems they faced. This is, 231 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:49.800 in general, of course, the plot for a novel. 232 00:16:49.800 --> 00:16:55.500 However, Alexander Zinoviev, their informal leader, will soon retire from the circle and entrust leadership 233 00:16:55.500 --> 00:17:01.100 to the ambitious and tough Georgy Shchedrovitsky, who spoke half-jokingly: 234 00:17:01.100 --> 00:17:04.400 "What's the history of philosophy. There is a void between 235 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:08.300 In general, not only the grandiose war, but 236 00:17:08.300 --> 00:17:11.800 also the grandiose intentions of the impudent youth played a role 237 00:17:11.800 --> 00:17:14.900 in the transformation of Soviet philosophy.. 238 00:17:14.900 --> 00:17:21.500 The voice of Alexander Zinoviev: - I was developing a logical concept that was not acceptable to anyone, 239 00:17:21.500 --> 00:17:24.000 that is, a concept different from everything 240 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.000 that was and is in world logic. 241 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:34.200 Boris Grushin:. - The problems were grandiose. It was a swing at a truly great historical deed. Neither formal logic nor so-called 242 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.000 dialectical logic set themselves such a task. 243 00:17:35.900 --> 00:17:39.000 - A person will not die from modesty. 244 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:40.800 He said that he would consider such a death a disgrace for himself. 245 00:17:40.800 --> 00:17:45.100 The circle members themselves, in response to Boris Grushin, 246 00:17:45.100 --> 00:17:48.700 will jokingly call themselves dialectical easelists. The quote 247 00:17:48.700 --> 00:17:50.800 is easily recognizable. She refers to Ilf 248 00:17:50.800 --> 00:17:54.700 and Petrov, the novel "12 chairs". "The city has always loved 249 00:17:54.700 --> 00:17:59.300 painting and 4 artists who have lived here for a long time founded 250 00:17:59.300 --> 00:18:03.400 the "dialectical easelist" group. They painted portraits of responsible 251 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.300 workers and sold them to the local painting museum." 252 00:18:06.300 --> 00:18:10.400 End quote. Twenty years later Voznesensky would write 253 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:14.200 about another poetic quartet: "What is destined 254 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:17.700 for us ahead? We are few. There may be four of us. 255 00:18:17.700 --> 00:18:21.100 We're racing. And you are a deity. And yet 256 00:18:21.100 --> 00:18:26.500 we are the majority." The circle by the official procedure of will be renamed 257 00:18:26.500 --> 00:18:30.000 the methodological one. Shchedrovitsky believed that the time of the former 258 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.800 scientific structure was over. It is necessary to re-saturate the activity with 259 00:18:33.800 --> 00:18:37.900 thinking. It was up to them - donetsk, combustible and hellish - 260 00:18:37.900 --> 00:18:41.300 to solve the task of a complete paradigm shift that will determine 261 00:18:41.300 --> 00:18:45.000 the fate of civilization for 200-300 years. He wouldn't settle for anything less. 262 00:18:47.800 --> 00:18:51.400 The voice of George Shchedrovitsky: - The time of science is over. Science has already, 263 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:56.000 ALREADY, I emphasize, died. And what 264 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:02.200 we observe around us is a shell, a dead shell and 265 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:09.100 nothing more. We live in an era of a very complex revolution, 266 00:19:09.100 --> 00:19:15.000 when science and the scientific form of organization 267 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.900 of thinking and activity are replaced by new 268 00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:28.200 forms, methodological ones. And in this sense, methodology displaces science. 269 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.700 Peter Shchedrovitsky, son of George Shchedrovitsky: - He had a very simple design. He 270 00:19:33.700 --> 00:19:38.100 thought there was a philosophy. Then sciences 271 00:19:38.100 --> 00:19:42.100 were born out of philosophy - sciences of the first generation, first of all, natural sciences. 272 00:19:42.100 --> 00:19:47.500 Then there was engineering. Engineering thinking, as a special, 273 00:19:47.500 --> 00:19:51.600 that is, scientific thinking, hatched out of philosophy 274 00:19:51.600 --> 00:19:54.100 and became independent. He said that these 275 00:19:54.100 --> 00:19:59.400 three types of thinking are being replaced by the 4th, methodological. 276 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:03.700 Grushin rather sympathized with this. Mamardashvili was smiling 277 00:20:03.700 --> 00:20:07.700 ironically. He generally always kept to himself. He participated 278 00:20:07.700 --> 00:20:12.100 in discussions, treated friends cordially, but kept his distance in advance. 279 00:20:12.100 --> 00:20:16.100 Yuri Levada: - He was somehow not like that, although it is unclear why he was not like that. 280 00:20:16.100 --> 00:20:19.200 He took Marx very seriously, 281 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:27.200 which none of our official ideologists knew how to do and did not imagine why it was 282 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:31.700 necessary, for example, but not only to Marx later. 283 00:20:31.700 --> 00:20:35.900 Vladimir Zinchenko, Doctor of Psychological Sciences, Academician of RAO: - I was just comparing the point of view of Merab Mamardashvili 284 00:20:35.900 --> 00:20:41.800 and George Shchedrovitsky. They are diametrically 285 00:20:41.800 --> 00:20:47.700 opposed, because Mamardashvili called the task of 286 00:20:47.700 --> 00:20:51.700 designing a new person the most stupid, idiotic 287 00:20:51.700 --> 00:20:58.000 and immoral task. Well, and really, listen, they started 288 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:01.800 designing a new person according to Gorky, and they got a gray person 289 00:21:01.800 --> 00:21:02.800 according to Zoshchenko. 290 00:21:02.800 --> 00:21:09.100 Even then, Mamardashvili believed that it was necessary to investigate not thinking, but consciousness, 291 00:21:09.100 --> 00:21:11.600 but consciousness, including his own. And we need not so much 292 00:21:11.600 --> 00:21:15.700 a general methodology as a new language of philosophy, which 293 00:21:15.700 --> 00:21:19.200 is formed not in a circle of like-minded people, but alone with oneself. 294 00:21:24.700 --> 00:21:26.500 And circles are quite suitable 295 00:21:26.500 --> 00:21:29.600 for other things - for communication, for friendship, for 296 00:21:29.600 --> 00:21:33.200 acquaintance with students. However, none of the methodologists 297 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:37.100 objected to the last point. 298 00:21:35.100 --> 00:21:42.600 Nelly Motroshilova, Doctor of Philosophy, widow of Yuri Zamoshkin: - I was a very athletic girl. I was playing volleyball. И вот, 299 00:21:42.600 --> 00:21:49.300 they tell me that it is possible to train under 300 00:21:49.300 --> 00:22:00.400 the guidance of our senior comrades. Coach Shchedrovitsky, coach 301 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:06.300 Mitrokhin, someone else. Mamardashvili coached basketball, 302 00:22:06.300 --> 00:22:10.500 he was tall and tall. I really didn't play 303 00:22:10.500 --> 00:22:13.500 basketball. But after a while I 304 00:22:13.500 --> 00:22:18.400 realize that, of course, these young people are more 305 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:25.200 interested in getting to know fresh female students, because 306 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:27.200 they play volleyball very badly. 307 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:32.500 Friendships and romances were formed on philosophical and sporting grounds. Love stories 308 00:22:32.500 --> 00:22:35.100 connected the faculties. By the way, the future 309 00:22:35.100 --> 00:22:37.500 wives of Levada, Mamardashvili and Mikhail Gorbachev 310 00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:42.500 lived in the same dorm room at Stromynka number 392. 311 00:22:42.500 --> 00:22:45.100 Mikhail Gorbachev, politician: - In the room where Raisa Maksimovna lived, 312 00:22:45.100 --> 00:22:52.700 the girls were visited by Gorbachev, a law student, Merab 313 00:22:52.700 --> 00:22:57.400 Mamardashvili and Yura Levada. A lot has passed, but 314 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.600 stromyngrad how difficult it was. 315 00:23:00.600 --> 00:23:02.800 22 people each lived in a room where one table 316 00:23:02.800 --> 00:23:05.100 only stands and with a large decanter, 317 00:23:05.100 --> 00:23:07.600 with faceted glasses. Even things had to be stored under 318 00:23:07.600 --> 00:23:11.200 the bed. And yet, I remember Stromynka. 319 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.200 Young geniuses met, sorted out their girlfriends and hurried 320 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:17.900 each to their date, not realizing that 321 00:23:17.900 --> 00:23:21.300 this meeting was symbolic. History will set them 322 00:23:21.300 --> 00:23:25.800 a similar, completely impossible, but, nevertheless, a great task. 323 00:23:26.800 --> 00:23:29.200 Yuri Senokosov, philosopher: - It's not just about Merab, 324 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.200 it's not just about Mikhail Sergeyevich. This is their reference. 325 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:37.900 They laid the foundation for the future Soviet system, developed and mastered 326 00:23:37.900 --> 00:23:41.400 the ideology. And the children were growing up. 327 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:48.600 Of course there was something komsomol, revolutionary and utopian in this. Reformat history with the mysterious 328 00:23:48.600 --> 00:23:52.100 power of thinking. But how will the French peers of Shchedrovitsky 329 00:23:52.100 --> 00:23:56.400 write on the walls of the Sorbonne in the sixty- eighth year: 330 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:59.000 "Be realistic. Demand the impossible." 331 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:07.400 Peter Shchedrovitsky, son of George Shchedrovitsky: - This was the frame in which they all thought. You know, 332 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:09.300 at some point Podoroga told me: 333 00:24:09.300 --> 00:24:12.400 "Listen, after all, he's a Komsomol member." I say: 334 00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:15.400 "In a way, yes. And Zinoviev, 335 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:18.300 in a sense, is also a Komsomol member. 336 00:24:18.300 --> 00:24:20.800 Yes, and Mamardashvili. But in the sense that they 337 00:24:20.800 --> 00:24:24.400 sincerely believed that it was possible to improve 338 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:28.100 people's lives at the expense of what they were doing. 339 00:24:28.100 --> 00:24:31.000 Since he was born on February 23, 340 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:33.800 his grandparents named him Kraskom. 341 00:24:33.800 --> 00:24:36.100 I should have been Pyotr Kraskomovich. 342 00:24:36.100 --> 00:24:38.800 But then my great-grandmother came and said 343 00:24:38.800 --> 00:24:42.200 they were crazy. And that it is not known how much longer 344 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:46.100 the Soviet government will last. That's why he became George." 345 00:24:46.100 --> 00:24:50.400 Shchedrovitsky formulated the task of life back in the early fifties: 346 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:54.500 to restore the Russian intelligentsia, otherwise Russian 347 00:24:54.500 --> 00:24:57.600 history has no more chances. From whom to restore? 348 00:24:57.600 --> 00:25:00.700 But from these Komsomol members. Because 349 00:25:00.700 --> 00:25:05.400 there's no one else. How to restore? Will see. On March 5, 350 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:10.800 1953, Stalin's death was announced. The gap 351 00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:14.700 in history has been punched. It will be much harder to drill 352 00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:16.300 through ourselves. 353 00:25:19.100 --> 00:25:29.900 Comrade Stalin, you are a great scientist. In linguistics, you are a great luminary, 354 00:25:29.900 --> 00:25:46.900 And I am a simple Soviet prisoner, Not a communist or even a Jew.