WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: ru-RU 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:20.000 DEPARTMENT EPISODE 3 The documentary project of Alexander Arkhangelsky 1 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:23.400 Vladimir Lukin, Commissioner for Human Rights under the President of the Russian Federation: - The magazine "Problems of Peace and Socialism" was, 2 00:00:23.400 --> 00:00:27.600 in socio-political terms, about the same as 3 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:31.800 the "New World" was in cultural and social terms, I would say. 4 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:35.900 Yuri Senokosov, philosopher: - If there were no magazine "Problems of Peace and Socialism", the whole process 00:00:35.900 --> 00:00:39.100 of parting with communism would have dragged on much longer. 5 00:00:39.100 --> 00:00:49.900 Yuri Karyakin: - In 1962, at the end of November, my best, closest, longest, 6 00:00:51.900 --> 00:00:57.600 if I may say so, friend Lenya Pajitnov came to Prague, 7 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:05.200 to the magazine "Problems of Peace and Socialism". Naturally, we had a drink with him. 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:10.300 He stayed the night at my place 8 00:01:10.300 --> 00:01:15.300 and gave me an old magazine, the 11th issue 9 00:01:15.300 --> 00:01:21.600 of the New World. I read it and I sobered up. 00:01:21.600 --> 00:01:23.600 Russian life, in the poet's words, 10 00:01:23.600 --> 00:01:27.500 is folded. It's windy, cold, and painful here in Samoylov style. 11 00:01:27.500 --> 00:01:31.500 But if you find a fold and hide in it, then you can 12 00:01:31.500 --> 00:01:36.000 live and think. Gradually, there were more folds. The scientific 13 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:39.200 and technical revolution has begun. It was necessary to promote science, 14 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:44.900 to present someone to the West. And sometimes these folds, enclaves, departments appeared 15 00:01:44.900 --> 00:01:48.300 in the most unexpected places, in the very center of the system. 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:55.000 COMMUNISM, FREE FROM CENSORSHIP 16 00:01:55.300 --> 00:01:59.400 Before the Institute of the International Labor Movement was born, 17 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:04.500 many of its curators, bosses, and employees met in cozy Prague, 18 00:02:04.500 --> 00:02:08.500 in the international communist magazine "Problems of Peace and Socialism", 19 00:02:08.500 --> 00:02:11.000 published in 28 languages. 20 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:18.500 It is distributed in 142 countries of the world, has 39 national publications 00:02:18.500 --> 00:02:26.500 In the ideological struggle against imperialism and revisionism for peace and social progress, 00:02:26.500 --> 00:02:32.200 the journal "Problems of Peace and Socialism" is on one of the front lines of fire. 00:02:32.200 --> 00:02:37.000 Before becoming the curator of the magazine, Anatoly Chernyaev worked here. 21 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.100 Under his supervision, the future 22 00:02:39.100 --> 00:02:44.400 deputy director of the IILM Ambartsumov, and one of the brightest employees, 23 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:49.500 the philosopher Arab-Oglu, and the 27-year-old historian Vladimir Lukin, who 24 00:02:49.500 --> 00:02:53.900 in 2002 will run for the post of director of the IILM and will lose, served in Prague. 25 00:02:53.900 --> 00:02:58.400 Vladimir Lukin, Commissioner for Human Rights under the President of the Russian Federation: - Do you know what stories have happened? Someone comes, 26 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.000 including your humble servant, to 27 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.300 Moscow, meets with his freedom-loving friends. 28 00:03:04.300 --> 00:03:06.400 One of them says to him: "Listen, I can't 29 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:10.700 break through a few formulations here that are not missed. 30 00:03:10.700 --> 00:03:13.700 Absolutely! What to do?" I say, "Okay. Give them to me. I will write them 31 00:03:13.700 --> 00:03:18.500 into the article of the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Mumba-Yumba, after which 32 00:03:18.500 --> 00:03:20.900 you will refer to them and develop further." 33 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:25.400 Of course, they were hired not to push through the wording, 34 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:30.700 but to help conduct ideology on a global Comintern scale. 35 00:03:30.700 --> 00:03:33.400 To do this, they have created excellent conditions. 36 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.900 The editorial office was located in the very center of Prague on Thakura 37 00:03:36.900 --> 00:03:41.500 (Tagore) Street, in a gloomy, luxurious building of the former seminary. 38 00:03:41.500 --> 00:03:45.900 Hundreds of consultants, translators from Europe, America, Africa. 39 00:03:45.900 --> 00:03:49.500 The magazine's employees relied on passports allowing them to travel freely 40 00:03:49.500 --> 00:03:53.100 to the socialist countries. They did not obey either the embassy 41 00:03:53.100 --> 00:03:56.600 or censorship. Stalin was still reclining in the Mausoleum, 42 00:03:56.600 --> 00:03:59.400 and in the communist magazine they lived as if 43 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.700 the gulag did not exist and could not exist. 44 00:04:01.700 --> 00:04:06.600 Natalia Grushina, widow of Boris Grushin: - Sobolev was there as an executive secretary, who also created 45 00:04:06.600 --> 00:04:09.400 an atmosphere. When we went to the mountains and there 46 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:15.000 was snow, he shocked everyone around, walked in his underpants and barefoot in the snow. 47 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.900 I have photos of him lying in a snowdrift, so imposingly, 48 00:04:17.900 --> 00:04:22.700 and a representative of Nigeria is lying next to him 49 00:04:22.700 --> 00:04:26.200 in a malachai and in a sheepskin coat. It is clear that he is very cold, 50 00:04:26.200 --> 00:04:28.900 and Sobolev is smiling like that. 00:04:28.900 --> 00:04:31.800 CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PLACE AND TIME Years 1954-1958 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.800 Ehrenburg's novel "Thaw" is published. 51 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:39.200 The Warsaw Military Treaty was created. At the XX Congress of the CPSU, 52 00:04:39.200 --> 00:04:44.300 Khrushchev exposes Stalin. The Hungarian uprising was suppressed by Soviet troops. 53 00:04:44.300 --> 00:04:48.100 A student demonstration was shot in Tbilisi. 54 00:04:48.100 --> 00:04:50.700 The World Youth Festival is taking place in Moscow. 00:04:50.700 --> 00:04:58.700 "The light of brotherly love is burning," Horacio Guarany sings. 00:04:58.700 --> 00:05:02.000 A satellite has been launched. The nuclear icebreaker 55 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:05.100 Lenin was created. The first synchrophasotron has started working. 56 00:05:05.100 --> 00:05:10.000 Pasternak, who received the Nobel Prize, was expelled from the Writers' Union. 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:16.100 GILDED EMIGRATION 57 00:05:16.100 --> 00:05:21.500 In the isolated, lightened Prague, classmates from Moscow State University met again - 00:05:21.500 --> 00:05:24.900 Merab Mamardashvili, Yuri Karyakin and Boris Grushin. 58 00:05:27.900 --> 00:05:30.900 They are slightly over 30. They go to the Semaphore political theater together - satirically evil, topical. 00:05:30.900 --> 00:05:35.000 On Thursdays, a film club is organized, created on the Grushin initiative. 59 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:38.900 Pazolini performs at magazine seminars, Mamardashvili 60 00:05:38.900 --> 00:05:46.500 acts as a translator. They watch сzechs - young Forman, Khitilova, new wave, erotica, everything 61 00:05:46.500 --> 00:05:49.600 that the modern West produces. Others cannot, 62 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.000 but they need it for responsible work. 63 00:05:54.900 --> 00:06:00.100 By the way, there was also a bar club in the editorial office, neatly named "International". 64 00:06:00.100 --> 00:06:03.000 Beautiful employees sometimes danced on the tables. 65 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:12.300 Natalia Grushina, widow of Boris Grushin: -Grushin brought me for the first time on the first Friday. And on the stairs, right at the entrance, stood Karjakin. 66 00:06:12.300 --> 00:06:21.200 He was, in general, a terrible bully. He played some incredible scene there. Every payday he was 67 00:06:21.200 --> 00:06:28.900 not lazy to take part of it in coins and with these coins he 68 00:06:28.900 --> 00:06:33.700 spread some texts on Grushin's carpet. I open the door and see 69 00:06:33.700 --> 00:06:38.600 that he is collecting coins from the carpet and I only see the last letters: "ck". 70 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:42.900 That is, this time, apparently, Karyakin's money was bad. 71 00:06:42.900 --> 00:06:48.700 Somewhere where Shchedrovitsky and Levada, Ilyenkov and Zinoviev remain, they plant corn, 72 00:06:48.700 --> 00:06:52.600 adopt the Moral Code of the builder of communism, shoot Novocherkassk, 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:56.600 send a man into Space and master the Virgin Land. 73 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:59.700 And here they talk about it and think about it, but they live 74 00:06:59.700 --> 00:07:02.500 in some kind of parallel world. Grushin, in secret from 75 00:07:02.500 --> 00:07:05.900 his superiors, manages a grandiose project that was launched 76 00:07:05.900 --> 00:07:09.500 in Komsomolskaya Pravda, to put it mildly, not in the most obvious place 77 00:07:09.500 --> 00:07:11.800 for the development of academic knowledge. 78 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:16.400 But life left no choice. After graduating from the university, 79 00:07:16.400 --> 00:07:18.200 Grushin was expelled from Soviet philosophy. 00:07:18.200 --> 00:07:22.700 And in Komsomolka, with the support of the liberal authorities, he created the first 80 00:07:22.700 --> 00:07:25.400 Institute in the USSR for the study of public opinion - 81 00:07:26.100 --> 00:07:29.500 his enclave, his department, his fold. 82 00:07:29.500 --> 00:07:33.100 Olga Kuchkina, writer: - Grushin was already in the editorial office when I got there. 00:07:33.100 --> 00:07:39.600 And already I saw this "nuclear warhead" in the corridors, as he 83 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:49.800 always rushed with some newspaper strip, just with some screams. 84 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:54.600 Natalia Grushina, widow of Boris Grushin: - There were a lot of songs, like: "What should I do? I love Tanya, 85 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:58.200 and I sleep with Manya." He was struck by the fact that there was a letter from 86 00:07:58.200 --> 00:08:08.500 an Academician, from a milkmaid, from a student and from a teacher and there were absolutely the same thoughts. 87 00:08:08.500 --> 00:08:13.000 Boris Grushin: - Imagine, there were 5 questionnaires with absolutely 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:19.700 similar texts on the table at the same time when it came to explaining divorces, 88 00:08:19.700 --> 00:08:24.000 the reasons for divorce. If these texts reproduced the famous cliches 89 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:27.200 of our propaganda, official installations, there would be nothing interesting in it. 00:08:27.200 --> 00:08:32.700 These texts differed qualitatively and meaningfully from the official point of view on the causes of divorce in the USSR. 90 00:08:32.700 --> 00:08:37.800 But they matched, just like twin brothers. How could these people, who had never met each other in their lives, 91 00:08:37.800 --> 00:08:43.300 did not participate in any joint actions, how could they produce the same text? 92 00:08:43.300 --> 00:08:50.000 And so, in search of an answer to this question, I discovered that I had discovered, I'm not afraid of 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:54.800 this word, some new object, unknown to science until now, not written by science. 00:08:54.800 --> 00:08:57.500 The object that I soon called Mass Consciousness. 93 00:08:57.500 --> 00:09:02.000 Grushin of this period seemed to illustrate Shchedrovitsky's thesis: 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:05.300 New intellectuals will grow out of former Komsomol members," 94 00:09:05.300 --> 00:09:10.200 with all their romantic impulse and recognizable style. Grushin's future wife, 95 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:13.700 Natalia, worked as her own Komsomolskaya Pravda correspondent in Riga and 96 00:09:13.700 --> 00:09:16.200 did not immediately come to Prague. He wrote her 97 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:19.900 instructive letters and produced a handwritten newspaper for her. 98 00:09:19.900 --> 00:09:22.500 Natalia Grushina, widow of Boris Grushin: - "I don't think that my relationship with you 99 00:09:22.500 --> 00:09:25.200 somehow casts doubt on my identity. 100 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:30.500 I didn't steal anything, I didn't cheat anyone (it's nota bene). 101 00:09:30.500 --> 00:09:33.900 I didn't do anything immoral. So why, the question is, 102 00:09:33.900 --> 00:09:37.500 should I hide like a thief? Living like this means stealing from yourself, 103 00:09:37.500 --> 00:09:44.700 depriving yourself of the pleasure of feeling truly free, that is, 104 00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:51.400 a person free from prejudice, a person who worships true ideals and principles. 105 00:09:51.400 --> 00:09:57.400 And this is also happiness, real happiness to experience the feeling of such freedom". 106 00:09:57.400 --> 00:10:02.900 As for Karjakin, although he graduated from philosophy and even defended dissertation, he was 108 00:10:02.900 --> 00:10:08.000 neither a philosopher nor a sociologist. Before Prague, he was not even a publicist, just a bright, 109 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:13.400 intelligent, sincere and brave man. He kept semi-encrypted diaries in which, 110 00:10:13.400 --> 00:10:27.800 fearing a search, he put his words into the heads of invented characters. 00:10:17.800 --> 00:10:22.400 But in Prague he finds the lever that will turn his fate around. 111 00:10:22.400 --> 00:10:29.500 This is not the mass Grushin consciousness, but the humanistic world of Dostoevsky and the populist faith of Solzhenitsyn. 112 00:10:29.500 --> 00:10:38.800 Yuri Karyakin: - I was offended by such an idea from Dostoevsky... I read it a long time ago, but I realized, or began to understand, too late. 00:10:38.800 --> 00:10:48.700 I quote: "You say," he argues with someone, "that it is moral to act according to conviction. 00:10:48.700 --> 00:10:52.500 And I will not believe you directly and will say, 113 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:56.800 on the contrary, it is immoral to act according to conviction. 114 00:10:56.800 --> 00:11:01.000 Because you have to continuously, every day, ask yourself: "Are my beliefs correct?" 115 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:09.400 Irina Zorina, Candidate of Historical Sciences, wife of Yuri Karyakin: - He was made famous by an article about Dostoevsky in 1963, which also for some reason received more 116 00:11:09.400 --> 00:11:12.500 resonance in Moscow, even than in other countries. 117 00:11:12.500 --> 00:11:16.400 Because Dostoevsky was still somehow banned. 118 00:11:16.400 --> 00:11:23.700 And suddenly an article appears in a communist magazine, in which there is some 119 00:11:23.700 --> 00:11:34.400 kind of not only rehabilitation, but recognition. And through Dostoevsky, the Russian world culture, he left 120 00:11:34.400 --> 00:11:40.500 the communist ideology, and even Marxism, which he had previously been fond of. 00:11:40.500 --> 00:11:42.600 Funny and characteristic picture: 121 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:46.900 across the wall from the General Secretary of Mumba-yumba, a crazy Soviet publicist 122 00:11:46.900 --> 00:11:53.700 is sitting in a huge Prague office and scribbling articles for the main communist body about 123 00:11:53.700 --> 00:11:57.600 the anti-communists Dostoevsky and Solzhenitsyn. From time to time, 124 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:59.800 in order to cool down a little, he rides a bicycle 125 00:11:59.800 --> 00:12:02.800 around the office and stands on his head. He has been 126 00:12:02.800 --> 00:12:04.700 called a Marxist yogi all these years. 00:12:04.700 --> 00:12:08.700 Vladimir Lukin, Commissioner for Human Rights under the President of the Russian Federation: - And his legs were visible, sticking out of the window. And this was 127 00:12:08.700 --> 00:12:11.700 the window that was adjacent to the Ministry of Security. 128 00:12:11.700 --> 00:12:16.200 And then one day they call from there and say, 129 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:19.800 in a rather timid voice, to our superiors: "You know, 130 00:12:19.800 --> 00:12:23.100 understand us correctly, of course we have nothing to do, 131 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:26.800 we do not conduct any observations, we just want 132 00:12:26.800 --> 00:12:29.400 to draw your attention to the fact that 133 00:12:29.400 --> 00:12:35.200 twice a day, at a strictly defined time, bare legs appear from such 134 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:38.700 and such a window. And these are men's legs. 00:12:38.700 --> 00:12:40.900 As for Mamardashvili, he does not 135 00:12:40.900 --> 00:12:43.500 study society and does not seek to remake the world. 00:12:43.500 --> 00:12:46.500 He learns the language of world philosophy, 00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:49.200 reads Proust and gets used to simply living 136 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.700 and thinking, abandoning reformist pathos and 00:12:51.700 --> 00:12:55.900 recognizing suffering in advance as a metaphysical norm. 137 00:12:56.900 --> 00:13:05.600 Merab Mamardashvili: - Through the passing of the well of suffering, passing through which you can see beyond the abyss 138 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:12.000 of not accord, injustice, cruelty some hidden harmony. 00:13:13.900 --> 00:13:18.500 Karjakin violated all the established rules because he always hated borders. 139 00:13:18.500 --> 00:13:26.000 And Mamardashvili violated borders when they interfered with his main goal - to become a philosopher, as such, 140 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:32.100 neither Soviet nor anti-Soviet. After leaving for France, he stayed for a week, not in protest, but simply 141 00:13:32.100 --> 00:13:36.700 because he wanted to communicate, and communication is more important than prescriptions. 00:13:36.700 --> 00:13:40.400 While studying languages, he communicated with 142 00:13:40.400 --> 00:13:42.600 Italian, Spanish, and French colleagues. 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:52.500 Valentina Mikitinova, editorial staff member of the journal "Problems of Peace and Socialism" in the 1960s.: -The editorial office had a closed library. These are publications for members of the Central Committee of the Communist 143 00:13:52.500 --> 00:13:57.800 Party of the Soviet Union. These are translated books. 00:13:57.800 --> 00:14:05.400 Books like Jivas and so on, the so-called counterrevolutionary ones, were translated. 00:14:05.400 --> 00:14:11.800 Every editor or every department that worked on a topic had the opportunity 144 00:14:11.800 --> 00:14:16.800 to order a book from the Central Library of Prague and from the Slavic. 00:14:16.800 --> 00:14:24.600 Books that were published here by emigrants and from Paris. In general, this is a very 145 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.600 rich library. Berdyaev and Trotsky were there. 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.400 Yuri Senokosov, philosopher: - Basically, he was engaged, as I 146 00:14:30.400 --> 00:14:34.100 understand it, in completing the library that was being created and 147 00:14:34.100 --> 00:14:38.700 wrote out Italians, Frenchmen there, what he himself was interested in. 148 00:14:38.700 --> 00:14:42.300 I have other books that he studied there. 149 00:14:42.300 --> 00:14:48.000 This is the German ideology of Marx from the collected works, well, just all with his notes. 150 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.700 Nelly Motroshilova, Doctor of Philosophy, widow of Yuri Zamoshkin: - Merab had already met Sartre there, but 151 00:14:52.700 --> 00:14:56.000 we were well aware of other meetings. 152 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:00.000 For some reason, young Mamardashvili seems to be wounded by Sartre. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.800 --> He reads it, rereads it, reviews it in a magazine, 153 00:15:02.800 --> 00:15:05.100 argues with it and seems to be slightly jealous. 154 00:15:05.100 --> 00:15:10.900 Echoes of the internal dialogue are heard in many of his remarks. 155 00:15:10.900 --> 00:15:13.800 Vladimir Lukin, Commissioner for Human Rights under the President of the Russian Federation: - "Listen, you know, now an institute on Pacific problems 156 00:15:13.800 --> 00:15:20.600 is being created in the Far East in Vladivostok. And only one thing stops me - far away." 157 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:22.900 He said to me: "Volodya, where is it far from?" 00:15:26.100 --> 00:15:32.900 I understood everything, the height of my idiocy. Really, from where? 158 00:15:32.900 --> 00:15:36.800 But this is a paraphrase from Sartre's book "Being and Nothing". 00:15:36.800 --> 00:15:43.100 Sartre writes: "Argentina is far enough away. Far from what?" End quote. 00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:46.800 Mamardashvili's generation miraculously slipped into philosophy. 159 00:15:46.800 --> 00:15:52.000 Hence this passion and this jealousy. And for the right to become a philosopher, in the strict 160 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:55.000 European sense, he is ready to pay any price, 161 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:59.900 including giving up his family. A thinker should not need care. 162 00:15:59.900 --> 00:16:05.000 Vladimir Zinchenko, Doctor of Psychological Sciences, Academician of RAS: - My son became very attached to him somehow. 163 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:11.900 "Sasha," says Merab, "I really like your mom. 164 00:16:11.900 --> 00:16:19.200 She's just wonderful. I understand that without your 165 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:23.600 mom, you wouldn't exist either. But I'm begging you, please 166 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:29.900 don't get married." The kid says 13-year-old. 167 00:16:29.900 --> 00:16:37.900 Iza Mamardashvili, sister of Merab Mamardashvili: - He was followed by a female train. I was always very worried when he was late, for example. 168 00:16:37.900 --> 00:16:44.500 And when one day I threw a tantrum that: "What have you done? 169 00:16:44.500 --> 00:16:48.000 Why didn't you call me?" You know, he didn't even understand. 170 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:49.900 He says: "I'm an adult. What's the matter with you? 171 00:16:49.900 --> 00:16:52.300 I've lived alone all my life." He didn't realize 172 00:16:52.300 --> 00:16:57.500 that someone at home could worry about him. He's just not used to his family. 173 00:16:57.500 --> 00:17:03.300 Mamardashvili's only long-term attachment Zelma Chait lived in Riga. 174 00:17:03.300 --> 00:17:06.900 She was older than him, had passed through the Riga ghetto. 175 00:17:06.900 --> 00:17:09.800 They met, called back, but did not move in together. 00:17:09.800 --> 00:17:14.800 When you look at her photo, you understand what he found in her, what he was fascinated by. 00:17:14.800 --> 00:17:21.100 This is not a Soviet face. This is a face from another world, which he so wanted to belong to. 176 00:17:21.100 --> 00:17:28.800 Elena Nemirovskaya, Director of the Moscow School of Political Studies: - She also fled from the Gestapo 00:17:28.800 --> 00:17:38.000 when the whole family was taken away, because this is a Jewish family, a family, in my opinion, even a rabbi, in Riga. 177 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.900 And some Swedish young man was 178 00:17:40.900 --> 00:17:45.100 in love with her.In general, an escape was arranged. She was a very young girl. 179 00:17:45.100 --> 00:17:50.600 And they sat for three days on the shore 180 00:17:50.600 --> 00:17:54.200 of the Baltic Sea. Will the barge come for them? 181 00:17:56.500 --> 00:18:00.200 Merab asked her: "What have you been doing?" Three days. Maybe it would have been death. 182 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:02.000 Maybe they will be found and returned to the camp 183 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:05.000 and she will die together with this young man. 184 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:08.600 Maybe they will be saved. And so on. 185 00:18:08.600 --> 00:18:17.000 And Zelma began to wash the window, washed the curtains and lived these two and a half or three 186 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:22.900 days as if she had arranged these three days today 187 00:18:22.900 --> 00:18:25.500 without any idea how they could end. 188 00:18:25.500 --> 00:18:31.700 For Merab, it had a unique meaning, because 189 00:18:31.700 --> 00:18:35.800 the time in which he lived, we all lived, 190 00:18:35.800 --> 00:18:39.000 it was very formless. The aesthetics of life were 191 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:43.500 stolen and the aesthetics of relationships were stolen. 192 00:18:45.300 --> 00:18:47.900 Natalia Grushina, widow of Boris Grushin: - I was very surprised one day when he was floating so 193 00:18:47.900 --> 00:18:50.700 impressively down the corridor, and suddenly someone shouted from 194 00:18:50.700 --> 00:19:58.000 some door:"Merab, Riga is waiting for you!" And all of a sudden he's just like a runner whoosh. 00:19:58.000 --> 00:19:02.00 He had a love in Riga, a woman. 195 00:19:02.00 --> 00:19:04.400 She was not allowed to be brought to Prague. 196 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:06.800 She did not pass according to some personal data. 197 00:19:06.800 --> 00:19:10.700 The way to the West ran, alas, through the East. In order 198 00:19:10.700 --> 00:19:14.300 to discuss on an equal footing with Sartre, Pasolini and Marcuse, it was necessary 199 00:19:14.300 --> 00:19:16.700 to accept all the rules of the game without exceptions, 200 00:19:16.700 --> 00:19:19.700 take into account personal data and be listed 201 00:19:19.700 --> 00:19:25.300 in the Party, to which Mamardashvili was already squeamish at that time, and stressed that he lived 202 00:19:25.300 --> 00:19:30.500 in Moscow as in internal emigration, and in Prague as in gilded emigration. 00:19:30.500 --> 00:19:34.700 Boris Grushin: - Of course, I had to serve the authorities. It was terrible. It was necessary 203 00:19:34.700 --> 00:19:39.900 to compromise all the time. But that wasn't the only upset. Much more worried, 204 00:19:39.900 --> 00:19:42.800 to be honest, complete lack of demand. 00:19:42.800 --> 00:19:49.100 Oleg Genisaretsky, Doctor of Art History, Deputy Director of the Institute of Philosophy of the Russian Academy of Sciences: - Don't make a scarecrow out of it. In addition, Merab Konstantinovich, he very clearly explains why he personally 205 00:19:49.100 --> 00:20:57.500 did not leave the ranks of the CPSU. He did not make demonstrative gestures and social capital on this. 00:20:57.500 --> 00:20:02.800 And he was like Mamardashvili, as he worked there since the 60s, 206 00:20:02.800 --> 00:20:07.300 so he worked until the day of his death, that is, 207 00:20:07.300 --> 00:20:11.700 he thought, that is, he thought. 208 00:20:11.700 --> 00:20:17.000 Vladimir Kantor, Doctor of Philosophy: - If we can talk about Merab. I remember when they dragged me to the Party, where, thank God, I never joined, 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:21.200 Merab said: "Volodya, why are you suffering so much? It's like a travel ticket," 209 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.800 he said. - Do you get on the tram, do you buy a ticket?" 00:20:23.800 --> 00:20:28.500 I say, "I'm buying." You are going in a Soviet tram. "In the Soviet tram you need to have a ticket." 210 00:20:28.500 --> 00:20:34.600 They all ride in a comfortable tram. They do not realize that they will have to pay after, not at the entrance, 211 00:20:34.600 --> 00:20:39.000 but at the exit. The entrance costs a ruble, the exit is two. 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:48.000 RUMYANTSEV VILLAGE 212 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:53.400 - Of course, in the "Problems of Peace and Socialism" there were very 213 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:57.600 different bosses and very diverse security officers. 214 00:20:57.600 --> 00:21:02.100 Vladimir Lukin, Commissioner for Human Rights under the President of the Russian Federation: - One of them, in a conversation with me and with Karyakin, once 215 00:21:02.100 --> 00:21:08.900 said a wonderful phrase. He looked at us so attentively, with 216 00:21:08.900 --> 00:21:16.700 such a calm professional look, and said: "Well, okay. You have ideas, and we have methods. Let's see who wins." 217 00:21:16.700 --> 00:21:28.800 Irina Zorina, Candidate of Historical Sciences, wife of Yuri Karyakin: - Prague had its first Prague Spring. 00:21:20.100 --> 00:21:28.800 And she was in the Rumyantsev village, as we called it, in the international journal "Problems of Peace and Socialism". 218 00:21:28.800 --> 00:21:34.800 The Prague editorial office was nicknamed Rumyantsev village in honor of the editor-in-chief Alexei Matveyevich Rumyantsev. 00:21:34.800 --> 00:21:39.800 He was quite a Soviet academician, worked as the first secretary of the Kharkiv Regional Party Committee. 00:21:39.800 --> 00:21:46.000 Under Stalin , he briefly became head of the Department of Economic and Historical Sciences of the Central Committee of the CPSU B. 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:50.900 But he remained in the grateful memory of posterity as a person who helped 219 00:21:50.900 --> 00:21:52.500 others to come true. 220 00:21:52.500 --> 00:21:57.800 Vladimir Lukin, Commissioner for Human Rights under the President of the Russian Federation: - It cannot be said that he was a very talented theoretician and so on, 00:21:57.800 --> 00:22:01.600 but one of the few surviving, 221 00:22:01.600 --> 00:22:06.100 principled and strong communists 222 00:22:06.100 --> 00:22:08.300 of another wave, which was basically liquidated 223 00:22:08.300 --> 00:22:12.900 at one time by Comrade Stalin and his associates. 224 00:22:12.900 --> 00:22:17.600 Valentina Mikitinova, editorial staff member of the journal "Problems of Peace and Socialism" in the 1960s.: - When, for example, Gagarin was in the "Problems of the World", they accepted him, 225 00:22:17.600 --> 00:22:28.000 and he made such an exciting speech-greeting him and finished this speech: "For our Communist Space!" 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:31.900 But, on the other hand, he was very kind to all those, 226 00:22:31.900 --> 00:22:38.000 say, who had different opinions than him. 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:44.000 But when he got a little angry, he would say: "Am I the boss here or the boll of shit?" 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:53.800 Irina Zorina, Candidate of Historical Sciences, wife of Yuri Karyakin: - Alexey Matveyevich Rumyantsev, having decided that it was enough, it was necessary to impose discipline, decided to issue 227 00:22:53.800 --> 00:23:00.300 an order to come exactly at 8 o'clock. And so the guys come by 8 o'clock, Karjakin 228 00:23:00.300 --> 00:23:03.900 his friend and someone else and discover that 229 00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:11.500 the Czechs, and yet the Czechs were the owners of the magazine, started repairs and brought a lot of small toilets. 230 00:23:11.500 --> 00:23:17.200 Because they were bored, they looked at all the offices 231 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:23.000 of all the bosses, took all the chairs and armchairs out of there and put toilet bowls for them. 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:30.800 They sit quietly waiting. Alexey Matveyevich comes and sees. Oh, the horror! What's it? 232 00:23:31.800 --> 00:23:34.500 And in the "Problems of Peace and Socialism", too, 233 00:23:34.500 --> 00:23:39.900 everything depends on the good nomenclature tsar. In 1967 234 00:23:39.900 --> 00:23:43.600 Rumyantsev will become the director of the newly created Institute 235 00:23:43.600 --> 00:23:47.700 for Concrete Social Research, where he will call both Grushin, 236 00:23:47.700 --> 00:23:56.900 Levada, and Yuri Davydov. And before that, he will have time to visit a very big boss - the editor-in-chief of the main newspaper of the country. 237 00:23:56.900 --> 00:24:01.200 Vladimir Lukin, Commissioner for Human Rights under the President of the Russian Federation: - Rumyantsev dragged away with him 3-4 238 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:08.300 people who became observers of the Pravda. Including Karyakin, Ambartsumov and a number of other people. 239 00:24:08.300 --> 00:24:10.500 And they began to write articles in Pravda that... 240 00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:12.400 so to speak, from which the eyes will pop out of the forehead. 241 00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:15.200 In Pravda! I'm not saying that Yuri Fedorovich 242 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:19.600 Karyakin in Pravda kept Alexander Isaevich 243 00:24:19.600 --> 00:24:22.800 "In the first circle" in the safe of the same Rumyantsev. 244 00:24:22.800 --> 00:24:32.400 Irina Zorina, Candidate of Historical Sciences, wife of Yuri Karyakin: - And when novel was arrested, Alexander Isaevich appeared at Karyakin's house without a call and said 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:41.400 calmly and sternly: "I came with a tail. We'll get rid of the tail. I won't 245 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.600 explain anything. We need to pick up a copy." It turned out that 246 00:24:45.600 --> 00:24:53.300 all the other copies were arrested by the KGB. And then Karjakin, learning along the way 247 00:24:53.300 --> 00:24:56.500 how to hide from tails in the subway, how to dive 248 00:24:56.500 --> 00:25:02.000 into the car and come up as soon as the door slams, in different directions. 00:25:02.000--> 00:25:11.900 In general, they got to the Pravda. He took a copy of the novel from the safe. He took him to Tvardovsky. 249 00:25:11.900 --> 00:25:16.900 It was in Prague that the model developed, which is then used 250 00:25:16.900 --> 00:25:22.500 in the IILM, the Institute of the USA and Canada, IPSI: free thought under a reliable party cover. 251 00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:26.300 While everyone thinks that this can go on indefinitely. 252 00:25:26.300 --> 00:25:29.000 But the illusion will have to be paid for very soon. 253 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:48.200 You'll stay in the shower forever, The City of songs and chestnut foliage, Zlata Prague, the beauty of Prague, Moscow's golden friend!