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"A conversation is unthinkable without my participation in it, but I myself am unthinkable if the conversation stops".

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Philosopher Alexander Moiseevich Pyatigorsky (1929-2009)

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- What I love most in life is 

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the possibility and reality of listening and talking.

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conversation with Alexander Pyatigorsky


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PART VIII

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- Dear friends! The owners asked me to start.

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Before drinking, I always read them a mantra that clears the place. A place, mind you! 

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Clears the place, removes evil intentions and impure thoughts from it,  

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and, of course, the abyss of evil spirits swarming around, as you can guess, 

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including those who are in us. 

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And now that everything is cleaned around, you don't have to worry 

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that there is some contamination left on this unpolished surface.

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This mantra kicked her out. Like this!

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Because the mantra is also (....?)  

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I've been reading this mantra since 1966.  I didn't drink a single drop of alcohol without reading this mantra, 

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which was given to me by my teacher, who taught me to read Buddhist texts in Buryatia.

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I am, in general, such duty toasts... What does "for you" mean? 

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To make it easy and carefree for you.  

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For there is no human happiness (now I am not talking about devas and suras)...

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After all, human happiness is lightness and carelessness, first of all.  

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St. Petersburg, 2002

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Alexander Moiseevich, what role have women played in your life?

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- You know, I really don't want to talk about this topic for one reason.

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For what reason? Because there is a danger not to lie. 

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In the end, there is no particular sin in lying, I think you will agree with me, there is no.


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But there is a danger here, I'm just thinking now - the danger of vulgar thinking. 


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There is nothing scarier than vulgar thinking. 

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И вот, стараясь его избежать,  я скажу,  

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And so, trying to avoid it, I will say that in life, in life circumstances - a huge role.

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According to some real mental experiences, it is insignificant. 

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And in general, I think often, and this applies to women,  

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to my communication with women, to my feelings for women, and so on, and so on,  

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I would even say that some things were forgotten instantly, disappeared for reflection,  

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and then popped up after 5 months, 5 years, 15 years, 25 years,


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already for completely different reasons, to these women and to me, there and then, who had no relation.


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- Tell me, Alexander Moiseevich, does it make sense to reflect on the act of physical love?

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- Dear Uldis, in principle, it makes sense to reflect on anything. 

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Your question will only make real sense if...

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Well, we will, as it were, accept  

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that since it is precisely such physiological actions and circumstances that the average person, 


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such as I am, can be abrupt, then this is no longer a question of "does it make sense to reflect?"   

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And often the reflection is spontaneously directed at it, because it was abrupt. 

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After all, the average person does not choose objects of reflection.

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The average person takes or does not take what fate offers him. 

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How was your "historic" visit to the KGB?

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- No, but I'm paraphrasing Merab Konstantinovich.  

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"Stupidity," as he always liked to say...  

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(This was absolutely true. I think this is a very profound remark.)

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He always said: "Intelligence and talent are always different. Stupidity and idiocy are always the same in all countries,  

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strata of society and individuals."  

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No, of course, it was unpleasant for me. But, really, you know.  

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And they had an argument. They said: "It's inconvenient for us  

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that you've been here for so long, you haven't eaten or drunk anything yet.

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But, you know, we can't take you to the buffet,

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because there are special passes in that building.

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Agree that there is something deeply native and Russian in this, too.  

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Have you been asked about the Buddhist ascetic Bidiya Dandaron?

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- These were amazing questions:  

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"We need you to tell the truth about your relationship with Bidiya Dandarovich. 

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Is it true that you also had a serious personal relationship?"

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"It's true," I said. 

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"And you respected him?"Absolutely," I said, "and loved."

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Then he said, "No, you write down that I loved him too. This is much more important."

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"So you also had a personal connection?"Absolutely," I said. 

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"Tell me, was it all serious or just talk?"

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"Very serious!" "Yes? And did you bring him religious literature?" 

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I say, "For God's sake, well, what other literature am I talking about at all?"

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I tell him, "What? Was I supposed to bring him Nursery rhymes? Yes?"

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In my opinion, they were both satisfied and disappointed with such answers.

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"But did you understand the incompatibility of this with Marxist ideology?" 

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I say, "Well, absolutely! Do you want me to explain in more detail?"  

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"No, don't," said the major. Apparently, he has already decided that he will not leave here himself.

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No, it was a musical comedy theater, 

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especially when he said: "Do you also have religious beliefs?"

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No, it's some kind of pearls! 

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I say, "Well, you know, I won't risk calling them serious beliefs, they certainly..."


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You know, all my life I involuntarily turn to a serious conversation,   

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as many people close to me believe,   

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it is completely untimely when no one asks me about it.

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No, it was the devil knows what!  

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But then, when I edited out the whole text and signed it on four sides

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(You don't know that? It is necessary to sign from above, from below and from both sides.)

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and drew a line, (and all this was done with a pencil, pens were not supposed to), 

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he says: "Thank you so much!"

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And then he said: "I'm on a business trip. Tell me, please, is GUM far from here?" 

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So I explained. After all, politeness is the motto of life.

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I explained where the GUM is. Then he took out an indescribably dirty piece of paper and said: 

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"Here, take a look. She said - and says - there are 16 nomenclature names.

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This is what is needed ("She" is, apparently, his wife. He's on a business trip,) to buy. 

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I explained everything to him. 

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"Are you feeling well?" "Excellent!" "Don't need a car?  

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Although, you know, I have to tell you frankly that we have a complete mess with drivers right now.

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After all, we don't have the right to just put you in a car from here and take you home."

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He says: "I'm sorry, but you'll have to take the subway then.

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Well. We can only do it with a driver, on receipt."

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I began to comprehend. I say, "Come on, I'll go anyway."

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"Well, it's very fast." He would have died, in general, there in the middle.

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And in general, an expression of complete hopelessness began to appear on his face a long time ago.

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Please tell us a little more about Dandaron!

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- I just think 

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that this was a man who by fate,  

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that is, roughly speaking, objectively  

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(and, by the way, when I told him about it once, he completely agreed)

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was put in such a paradoxical situation

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that has already made him extraordinary.

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Or, if you want, it may not be interesting for fate 

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to put ordinary people in such a situation at all. 

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Therefore, it is unclear, already here, where he is, and where fate is. Am I making myself clear?

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I would not like to develop any of my own ideas now, 

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because people are asking about Bidiya Dandarovich,

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but nevertheless, as if phenomenally, he was an extraordinary man. 

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He was an extraordinary man. 

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At the same time, if you are still interested in my very superficial banal psychological observations,

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he was a man who combined two extremely rare and rarely combined things - 

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phenomenal temperament and emotionality with equally phenomenal agility. 

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That is, I do not know the circumstances known to me (I do not know much)

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when he would have been a man of defense. 

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By the way, this is very interesting, because this is exactly what 

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anuttara yoga, the highest yoga, requires. Well, read about the life of the great Siddhas.

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This is one of the qualities of a great yogi - always offensive.  

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is not about life circumstances, 

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but about how a yogi treats himself.

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The yogi cannot hold the line. He dies on the defensive.

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And this is not a defense against life. A yogi never defends himself from life.


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A yogi never fights with life. Yogi  attack not  in life.

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He has his own sphere where he attack.

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Therefore, Bidiya Dandarovich was so often, absolutely, to the point of disgust, misunderstood by others.

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But, again, I'm not arguing with anyone. This is my observation, and maybe even by myself.


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I include myself, in this case, in the environment. 

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I think that yoga, if you are interested, if we talk about the negative side of yoga, 


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about what a yogi should not be,

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a yogi, as it were, by definition excludes defensiveness.

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The yogi by definition excludes vulgarity. 

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But it's a very important term. Do you understand? 

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Vulgarity, in Sanskrit "pritha jana".

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- Is this vulgarity and even platitude?

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- It's worse than platitude. Vulgarity is "pritha jana". This is an ordinary reaction to the universe.

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Like everyone, so is he. This is not platitude.

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A person reacting like everyone else cannot be a yogi.

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Moreover, a person reacting as one of all cannot be a yogi.


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Он может реагировать только так, как он реагирует. 

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Then he is not "pritha jana", then he is arya.

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Do you know this word? Noble.

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But this "pritha jana" - he is always on the defensive.  

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He always wants to be right, relevant 

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How does your love for Krishna connect with your thoughts on Buddhism?

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But because I really like the type of this,  

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I almost said nonsense, "personality of Krishna".

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Of course, Krishna was not a person.  

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Here is this image: 

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"Stop and think about it so that this thinking ends  

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and continues after its next death." 


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In Buddhism, of course, reflexivity was much stronger. 

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Well, just, especially in our age, to which I am largely subordinate,

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to the point of disgust, in our age, I think only in Buddhism and the Bhagavad Gita, 

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with all their differences, one can somehow find refuge 

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for this disgusting liberal globality, this complete softening,  

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this complete, if you will, mental irresponsibility. 

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The moment of responsibility in Bhagavad-Gita is very strong.  

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"You should always remember your responsibility, well, to me, of course, if you love me.

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And nothing from you, except love, I don't need anything at all.

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You," he says, "can't give anything at all, except love. And you can't give it either.

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You must be the eternal sentinel of yourself."

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- It seems that you can be an eternal sentry, but if you live, then for what and what can you find?
 

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"Aah, old man," Krishna told him wonderfully, "I won't do this job for you."

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And this is the slogan of the Bhagavad-Gita: "Everyone should do their job."

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It's better to fail your job than to do someone else's job well.

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There Shankara wrote wonderfully: "We are all engaged in other people's affairs and speak a other people's language,  
  
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we think with other people's thoughts. First, you have to completely reject yourself. 

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But how can you reject what is not there? First become yourself in its entirety,

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and then throw it away. And if you don't become like that, there's nothing to throw away.  

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This is understandable to hares. Yes? 

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But, from here, as if, indeed, it is already completely ridiculous,   

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the comparison with Christianity. Give the poor man his last shirt.  

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This was very resenting in the Bhagavad-Gita. Who needs your last shirt anyway?

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So you first become a multi-billionaire and throw it all away.

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And your last shirt, it's as pathetic as you are.

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You can only give away the infinite wealth

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that you own, and not it own you.

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You can only share the infinite wisdom that you own, and not it own you.

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Written and directed by Uldis Tirons, Cameraman Robert Vinovskis, Produced by Robert Vinovskis, Sound Engineer Anete Vanaga, Editing by Davis Simanis, 
Computer graphics by Edmund Jansons

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Materials of the studio "Locomotive", Riga