WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: ru-RU 00:00:02.900 --> 00:00:07.000 Olesya Fokina presents 1 00:00:07.500 --> 00:00:16.300 - So here we go. We just need to focus a little bit. 2 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:23.700 There is also an empty chair here. You can sit down. 3 00:00:23.700 --> 00:00:29.800 It's not so scary when thoughts are spinning in your head without an answer. 4 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:33.800 It's not a big deal. Let them spin. 5 00:00:35.300 --> 00:00:41.000 And, by the way, this spinning of thoughts is the work of life. 00:01:08.800 --> 00:01:13.700 MERAB TIME 6 00:01:25.300 --> 00:01:30.400 - I first saw him in the late eighties at the higher directing courses. 8 00:01:31.600 --> 00:01:35.000 I remember that cloudy autumn day 9 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:39.900 when he, puffing on his pipe, sauntered into the auditorium. 10 00:01:39.900 --> 00:01:44.300 And from that moment my new life began. 11 00:01:44.300 --> 00:01:48.800 As a singer is given a voice, so he gave us thinking. 12 00:01:48.800 --> 00:01:52.700 Did he succeed? It doesn't depend on him anymore. 14 00:01:52.700 --> 00:01:57.200 "According to the level of our souls," so he said. 15 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:02.200 There are no prophets in own homeland. And for 3 years 16 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:08.200 there has been no philosopher and prophet Merab Mamardashvili on earth. 17 00:02:23.100 --> 00:02:32.200 Alexander Pyatgorsky: - Every film now about Merab is a big problem. 18 00:02:32.200 --> 00:02:37.800 Why? Because when we make this kind of film, 19 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:43.200 or even when we write an essay, we don't really know what we're doing. 21 00:02:43.200 --> 00:02:49.400 Is it a history or not? It's too early for history. 23 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:55.400 Too little time has passed. Merab's time continues. 24 00:02:55.400 --> 00:03:03.900 Otar Ioseliani: - As you know, there is a look, a pose and a position. There is a touch. 25 00:03:03.900 --> 00:03:11.400 There is also a word that is considered to be the most superficial way of communication. 26 00:03:13.500 --> 00:03:16.500 - Was he a harmonic person? What do you think? 27 00:03:16.500 --> 00:03:20.800 - No, not harmonic at all. I'll tell you, he was a normal person. Normal. 28 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:26.700 Don't treat it like a monument. From the fact that each of us is doomed to die, 29 00:03:26.700 --> 00:03:32.500 so there is no need to engage in necrophilism after death. 30 00:03:36.500 --> 00:03:39.200 Tbilisi, 1988 31 00:03:39.200 --> 00:03:45.000 He was born on September 15, 1930 in the village of Gori. 32 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:49.300 He spent his childhood and youth in Georgia. 33 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:56.900 He graduated school with a gold medal and ented the Faculty of Philosophy at Moscow State University. 34 00:03:56.900 --> 00:04:01.500 After graduation, he worked in the journal "Questions of Philosophy". 35 00:04:01.500 --> 00:04:10.100 Then he leaved for Prague as the editor of the magazine "Questions of Peace and Socialism". 36 00:04:10.100 --> 00:04:14.400 He left Prague illegally for a few days in Paris, 38 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:20.000 for which he became banned for the next 20 years. 39 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:24.200 However, this did not frighten him and, upon returning to Moscow, 40 00:04:24.200 --> 00:04:28.100 he openly began to philosophize wherever he had to. 41 00:04:28.100 --> 00:04:33.800 He lectured at VGIK, at Moscow State University, with friends. 42 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:41.700 He was expelled from the "Questions of Philosophy", and then from the Institute of the History of Natural Science. 43 00:04:41.700 --> 00:04:49.600 Moscow doesn't need it. Mamardashvili moved to Tbilisi. 44 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:55.800 He defended his doctoral dissertation. He read the famous courses of lectures on Descartes and Proust. 45 00:04:55.800 --> 00:05:00.500 He worked at the Institute of Philosophy of Georgia. Since the mid-eighties, 47 00:05:00.500 --> 00:05:05.900 he has become famous in philosophical and political circles in Europe and the USA. 48 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.800 Georgia didn't want him. 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:18.200 Yuri Karyakin: - We graduated from the Faculty of Philosophy and each of us has a monstrous "Philosopher" written in our diploma. 49 00:05:18.200 --> 00:05:25.500 It's like writing: "Profession: Aristotle, Socrates, 51 00:05:25.500 --> 00:05:28.500 Mamardashvili (as it turned out)". 00:05:30.200 --> 00:05:38.900 ...This brings to mind the legends about Socratic dialogues, 52 00:05:38.900 --> 00:05:42.900 about the Platonic academy. 53 00:05:42.900 --> 00:05:52.500 And it's wonderful that Yura Senokosov recorded not shorthand, but by voice. 54 00:05:53.500 --> 00:06:00.800 Almost all films and videos featuring Mamardashvili mysteriously disappeared from the archives of Moscow and Tbilisi. 56 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:08.100 And it so happened that hundreds of tape cassettes are almost all that is left of him. 58 00:06:08.100 --> 00:06:12.700 And with the help of Senokosov, they turn into books. 60 00:06:30.400 --> 00:06:36.400 - I can tell you, I confess, that one of my experiences, because of which, perhaps, I began to study philosophy, 62 00:06:36.400 --> 00:06:40.300 was an experience in life, completely incomprehensible, 63 00:06:40.300 --> 00:06:45.000 leading me to confusion, of people's blindness to what is. 65 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:49.200 Faulkner said that the greatest tragedy of a person is 66 00:06:49.200 --> 00:07:03.100 when he does not know what his actual situation is. 67 00:07:05.300 --> 00:07:08.300 It mean, where is he? 00:07:10.200 --> 00:07:14.000 What's happening? Or rather, so. 68 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.600 How? When did what is happening now become interlocked? 69 00:07:26.500 --> 00:07:29.800 In Russian history, I would say so, the genius of repetition, 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:35.100 bad to the point of nausea, was walking, walking with might and main. 71 00:07:36.400 --> 00:07:46.200 Imagine that we eat and chew a piece endlessly, and chewing it never ends. 72 00:07:46.200 --> 00:07:51.500 We can't eat it. After all, death is once and for all. It's over. 73 00:07:53.100 --> 00:08:02.200 Hell is one's own death, that is, death that happens all the time. There's no way we can die. 74 00:08:20.500 --> 00:08:26.800 Our world is full of half-born people. 75 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:31.000 They would like to be born, but they were not born. 76 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:37.200 They have the urge to thought, but no thought, 77 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:42.200 the urge to honor, but no honor. 78 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:48.000 Urge and action are different things. 79 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:56.800 The urge is neither life nor death, neither dream nor reality, it is madness. 81 00:09:13.800 --> 00:09:19.600 On the crest of the October Revolution, a human mutation occurred. 82 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:22.900 Yes, we have a heart, lungs, liver. 83 00:09:22.900 --> 00:09:29.500 We are like a man. We are mutants. 84 00:09:29.500 --> 00:09:32.700 We continue to exist, to move. 85 00:09:32.700 --> 00:09:38.800 And the heel begins to perform the functions of the heart and lung. 86 00:09:40.400 --> 00:09:48.100 We have irrevocably lost the taste for normal life. 87 00:09:55.500 --> 00:10:01.300 - Apparently, you are a complete pessimist. 00:10:02.800 --> 00:10:10.400 - Antonio Gramsci said this: "The pessimism of the intellect is the optimism of the will." 89 00:10:17.700 --> 00:10:25.500 - I met him somewhere in the early sixties. 90 00:10:26.900 --> 00:10:32.100 We became friends very quickly. 91 00:10:32.100 --> 00:10:38.000 At that time we were still quite hardy, we could drink a lot of time. 92 00:10:41.300 --> 00:10:46.200 Philosophers are very fond of drinking, so you know. Real philosophers. 93 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:53.000 They say that only Hegel did not drink. 00:10:53.000 --> 00:11:00.900 He was such a burgher and, most importantly, he was a boring person. And Kant was drinking. 94 00:11:00.900 --> 00:11:08.800 He really liked madeira and liqueur. Well, Merab and I drank wine and drank vodka. 95 00:11:08.800 --> 00:11:12.400 Well, we drank and talked somehow. 96 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:19.800 We talked about various topics that our reality, which was rich at that time, gave us. 98 00:11:24.400 --> 00:11:30.300 - Well, how do you like it? - Well, it's different now. Rich, probably. 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:36.700 At every moment of the existence of this country, 99 00:11:36.700 --> 00:11:40.600 I don't know, since the time of Ivan the Terrible, everything is rich. 100 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:46.900 It is rich in blood, then rich in tears, then rich in misfortunes. 101 00:11:47.700 --> 00:11:50.700 The history was not rich in joys, unfortunately. 102 00:11:50.700 --> 00:12:03.300 Therefore, joy is in trust, in friendship, in confidence in another person. 103 00:12:03.300 --> 00:12:09.400 Therefore, one of the greatest joys in this world has always been open 105 00:12:09.400 --> 00:12:13.400 to the so-called Soviet man - 106 00:12:13.400 --> 00:12:18.400 the joy of friendship, solidarity and 107 00:12:18.400 --> 00:12:25.300 the joy of sharing common hardships, and the joy of discovering, 00:12:25.300 --> 00:12:32.800 sharing the coincidence of the view of this life. 108 00:12:32.800 --> 00:12:40.500 We, after all, knew very little about his activities in the field of philosophy. 109 00:12:42.100 --> 00:12:46.900 I think this is pure nonsense. He was just fooling around. 110 00:12:46.900 --> 00:12:50.700 He was just messing with his students. 111 00:13:14.900 --> 00:13:18.900 Life is an effort in time. 112 00:13:20.500 --> 00:13:24.100 And you often hear that if a person has committed a crime, 00:13:24.100 --> 00:13:31.000 it is because society is bad, the environment has eaten. 113 00:13:36.100 --> 00:13:41.200 For the hero, there is no society that would be to blame for what is happening to him. 115 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:53.900 Or else, you don't need the whole world to be good, so that you are good. 116 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:59.600 A classic soul is a very strong stomach. 117 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:03.400 Classic soul. She can digest everything - 118 00:14:08.900 --> 00:14:21.100 the injustice reigning around, and happiness, troubles, and devices, and so on. 120 00:14:49.300 --> 00:14:57.800 The end of the XX century is the time for summing up and the bills will have to be paid. 121 00:14:57.800 --> 00:15:03.500 Recalculations have accumulated very serious. 122 00:15:03.500 --> 00:15:10.800 Well, let's say there are not enough, according to elementary estimates, 100 million people in Russia alone. 124 00:15:10.800 --> 00:15:14.300 I'm asking a question: 00:15:14.300 --> 00:15:22.900 "In what sense can we say that something happened in 1937?" 125 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:49.800 Everything that happened in 1937 is happening now 126 00:15:49.800 --> 00:15:52.400 in our reactions, in our souls. 127 00:15:52.400 --> 00:15:58.900 We have not learned a lesson and have not learned anything from the experience of 1937. 128 00:15:58.900 --> 00:16:05.200 If you remember, in the Apocalypse of John: 129 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:12.500 If you want to kill millions, if you want plague, famine, 130 00:16:12.500 --> 00:16:18.100 then you can ignore what I say. 131 00:16:18.100 --> 00:16:22.200 Whatever the world is, there is something I can and should do. 133 00:16:24.500 --> 00:16:35.800 I am alone in the face of the world and must keep my loneliness. 134 00:16:44.800 --> 00:16:50.000 Take a look at yourself, make an effort on yourself to see yourself 136 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:54.400 as we really are. 137 00:16:54.400 --> 00:16:58.600 If you don't make this effort, all is lost. 138 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:05.900 Or are you waiting again for someone from the outside to come and solve your problems and difficulties? 140 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:12.600 Looking for enemies in outer space again and again? 141 00:17:12.600 --> 00:17:18.000 This terrible mechanism must be destroyed. 143 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:37.300 We are infantile and, as always, in the hands of the Salvation Army. 145 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:36.800 It could have happened in Georgia and so on. 146 00:18:36.800 --> 00:18:40.900 What to say? When Shakespeare lived, when Dante lived, blood flowed everywhere. 148 00:18:40.900 --> 00:18:45.700 When Dante lived surrounded by the most bloodthirsty Medici, poisoning each other, 149 00:18:45.700 --> 00:18:53.500 the whole of Italy was enraged. When Aristotle lived... By the way, he was killed just with a sword. 151 00:18:53.500 --> 00:18:59.200 When Plato lived, people appeared at that time... 153 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.500 What are you saying? What does... have to do with it? 154 00:19:02.500 --> 00:19:07.600 Savagery has always existed. And I think he wasn't such an idiot 155 00:19:07.600 --> 00:19:15.700 as to try to appeal to some people who had completely lost their human form. 157 00:19:15.700 --> 00:19:19.400 And the human form is always lost. 158 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:24.800 All. Keep collecting material about Merab, and different people will tell you different things. 160 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:43.400 They say about the French that they are a stingy and selfish people, 161 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:47.800 not like us, the Russians - the soul is wide open. 162 00:19:47.800 --> 00:19:54.800 But what about the Dittmanns? After all, having accidentally found out that I was making a film about Mamardashvili, 164 00:19:54.800 --> 00:20:00.300 Michel Dittmann, whom I had never known before, found me by phone in Moscow 165 00:20:00.300 --> 00:20:04.000 and demanded that we come to him immediately. 166 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:08.800 "You will stay at my house. I have a surprise related to Merab." 168 00:20:09.700 --> 00:20:21.000 That's how we ended up in this amazing semi-French, semi-Jewish, semi-German family in Paris. 171 00:20:22.800 --> 00:20:26.300 Michelle Dietmann: - I was shocked that the world is so small 172 00:20:26.300 --> 00:20:29.700 and we are all somehow connected to each other. 173 00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:35.500 I've heard so much about Merab that I think I knew him myself. 174 00:20:35.500 --> 00:20:38.800 Legends about him were brought to our house by our friend, 175 00:20:38.800 --> 00:20:45.000 and therefore, it seems to me quite natural that we invited you to our house. 177 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:50.700 Мариель Паке: - Merab loved this anecdote. Russian asks Georgian: 178 00:20:50.700 --> 00:20:55.400 "Have you read Lenin?" "No." "And Stalin?" "No." "And Brezhnev?" 179 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:59.200 "Listen, leave me alone. You have your own company, and I have my own." 181 00:21:17.900 --> 00:21:21.100 You know, he looked at me like no one else. 182 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:31.600 When he saw me for the first time, it seemed to me that after 5 minutes he knew everything about me. 184 00:21:36.500 --> 00:21:40.100 He gave more than he received. 185 00:21:40.100 --> 00:21:43.400 He was afraid of addiction in a relationship. 186 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:48.500 It so happened that on his last visit to Paris, he stayed at my house. 187 00:21:48.500 --> 00:21:53.900 I'm making a book about him. I remember he didn't want to return to Tbilisi. 190 00:22:09.100 --> 00:22:12.900 It was August, 3 months before his death. 192 00:22:12.900 --> 00:22:16.600 I handed his tickets to Moscow back to the ticket office many times. 00:22:16.600 --> 00:22:23.100 He knew he was going to die. His father died at 60. 193 00:22:23.800 --> 00:22:29.300 Merab was the same age in September. 00:22:29.300 --> 00:22:33.100 He promised that he would spend the whole day quietly. 194 00:22:33.100 --> 00:22:36.100 He didn't want any anniversary. 195 00:22:36.100 --> 00:22:39.400 Here he was offered amazing contracts. 196 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:43.900 Everyone sought his company, from Vernon to Mitterrand. 197 00:22:55.700 --> 00:23:01.700 Leave this idea, to understand the Russians, or else fall into the abyss. 198 00:23:01.700 --> 00:23:08.700 It's impossible to understand us. Russia is a stone that can fall on your head at any moment. 200 00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:11.500 So you better be ready to die. 201 00:23:20.600 --> 00:24:26.300 Anna Dittmann 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:30.700 A song about the Motherland. 202 00:24:30.700 --> 00:24:35.900 In 90, he said a phrase that flew around the world: 203 00:24:36.900 --> 00:24:45.900 "If my people choose Gamsakhurdia, I will have to go against my people." 204 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:58.500 The Georgian newspapers then wrote: "A traitor to the nation. Get out of Georgia." 206 00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:49.200 In 1921, what happened happened according to the level of our souls, 207 00:25:53.200 --> 00:26:00.900 regardless of the big catastrophes. As they grew up, so they got it. 208 00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:05.800 Big disasters didn't make us big. 209 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:15.700 The world is irreversible. And what is not learned today will not be extracted tomorrow. 210 00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:20.000 Moreover, only you can extract it. 211 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:29.400 It is impossible to rely on another, to shift to the class, to the party, to society, to the nation. 213 00:26:31.900 --> 00:26:37.500 And vice versa, what happens to the nation will be the integral 214 00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:41.900 of what each of us has undertaken. 215 00:26:43.100 --> 00:26:51.500 And what happens will be equalized, that is, it will be established according to the level of our souls. 216 00:26:51.500 --> 00:26:58.000 Proust put it this way: "No matter who you are, a prince or a beggar, 217 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:07.300 no one will save you from the need to desire, suffer, love and hate. 219 00:27:08.300 --> 00:27:12.000 And the one whose heart sees everything wins." 220 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:49.800 He had bought himself a baguette, a box of camembert and everything else for lunch and was happy. 221 00:27:49.800 --> 00:27:54.300 It was especially good for me that he had such joy, 222 00:27:54.300 --> 00:27:58.400 living in these years, one might say, almost in captivity. 224 00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:07.400 But on the other hand, I know perfectly well that his joy and love of life originated before. 225 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:12.400 I mean, I think he's had it since he was a kid. 228 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:20.300 Annie Epelboin, philosopher (France) - I remember how he spoke in the Senate with such sayings, but, of course, in a slightly different context. 230 00:28:20.300 --> 00:28:28.200 He really wanted to abruptly end the system of incomprehensible love for Russia, 231 00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:37.200 which reigned among the Western intelligentsia for almost a century, 232 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:46.200 the idealization of Russia as a country of happy people, spirituality, and generally it is unclear what. 234 00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:54.500 He said that the peculiarities of a nation can be judged by deeds, not by doing. 235 00:28:54.500 --> 00:28:59.200 Who knows how to work. For example, he was watching a waiter in a cafe. 237 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:03.500 He said: "Look how well he works, how seriously he takes his business. 238 00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:08.000 Before God, he is responsible for his life. That's human. That's civilization." 240 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:15.700 This is not a conversation about the soul. Here he appreciated people by their attitude to work, 242 00:29:15.700 --> 00:29:22.900 to business, how they lead their lives, and not just what kind of spiritual program they have, spiritual ideals. 244 00:29:22.900 --> 00:29:30.200 You're a philosopher, you have to think. You're the cook, well, cook a good dinner and be responsible for it. 246 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:37.700 He terribly disliked emotions and expressing emotions. He was most afraid of hysteria. 248 00:29:37.700 --> 00:29:41.000 - That's why he was a little afraid of women. No? 249 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.000 - It depends on what kind of women. 250 00:29:47.300 --> 00:29:55.600 For example, the fact that he couldn't start a family, is it easy? Isn't that a burden? 251 00:29:55.600 --> 00:30:01.400 On the one hand, he kept his inner calm. On the other hand, he may have died because 252 00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:05.600 he didn't have this weight in his life. 00:30:05.600 --> 00:30:10.000 Therefore, every choice... I won't say that I know everything. 253 00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:18.800 - I have a lot to thank Merab for. Of course! 254 00:30:18.800 --> 00:30:26.000 He just kind of resurrected me once. Partly... 255 00:30:27.100 --> 00:30:33.500 At first, on the contrary, he said that if you want to fall into world sorrow, 256 00:30:33.500 --> 00:30:37.200 then first think, maybe you just have a stomach ache. 258 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:42.500 Natalia Ryazantseva - And Friendship is not to cause each other trouble, spoil the mood. 259 00:30:42.500 --> 00:30:45.700 And love and friendship, for love and for friendship. 260 00:30:45.700 --> 00:30:49.500 Ну, почти ни о ком он не говорил плохо, 261 00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:54.000 He spoke ill of almost no one, never gossiped at all, never talked about himself. 262 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:58.800 Here is what, by the way, in Russian conversations, apparently, did not suit him very much in Russian companies, 265 00:30:58.800 --> 00:31:03.900 and why he preferred secular conversation somewhere in foreign guests, foreign houses, 266 00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:08.600 where everyone gathers for a while, and they talk , do not climb into the soul. 268 00:31:08.600 --> 00:31:13.200 They talk about something, they chat about something. 269 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:18.800 It was completely out of habit for me. 270 00:31:18.800 --> 00:31:21.800 I can hardly bear such a conversation. 271 00:31:21.800 --> 00:31:27.400 Because how are we? We'll sit down. We'll get drunk. And yes. 273 00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:34.000 Well, if two or three, then some of the most intimate things are told, they turn the soul inside out one way or another. 275 00:31:36.800 --> 00:31:39.700 - It's hard to decide for him? 276 00:31:39.700 --> 00:31:47.800 - You see, it can't occur to me, because it's wrong to call it "remember". 278 00:31:47.800 --> 00:31:51.800 I remember all the time. On the contrary, it's hard for me not to remember. 279 00:31:51.800 --> 00:31:59.800 This state is constant and sometimes you break out of it into something else, 280 00:31:59.800 --> 00:32:06.000 get distracted and rejoice if you get distracted. Thought is a very fast thing. 282 00:32:06.600 --> 00:32:09.600 - He sent friends to friends. 283 00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:14.200 He wanted his friends to communicate with each other. 284 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.000 - And what was the situation with Pyatigorsky? Did he introduce you too? 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:24.300 - Of course. Merab even, I remember, loved to change shirts with him very much. 286 00:32:24.300 --> 00:32:28.600 They had the same size. Merab loved clothes. 287 00:32:28.600 --> 00:32:32.400 And Pyatigorsky somehow didn't care. Merab told him: 288 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:36.100 "Look what you're wearing. I'll give you a shirt." 289 00:32:36.100 --> 00:32:41.100 As soon as Merab appeared in Paris, the first one who arrived at the same time 290 00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:44.100 to meet him immediately was Sasha Pyatigorsky. 291 00:32:44.100 --> 00:32:46.700 And they met at the train station. 292 00:32:46.700 --> 00:32:55.400 And just Merab was dressed normally, and he needed a suit. 293 00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:00.400 Therefore, Sasha Pyatigorsky brought him a suit. 294 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:04.500 But in order not to carry a suitcase, he put this suit on himself. 296 00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:09.400 Merab didn't recognize him because he always weared jeans. 297 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:16.000 On the first evening we all gathered at Katel's. We were all happy. 299 00:33:28.700 --> 00:33:33.700 Alexander Pyatigorsky, Professor at the University of London, 300 00:33:33.700 --> 00:33:40.400 любимый друг Мераба, знаток буддизма, истории и культуры Индии. 301 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:47.200 20 years ago, he left Russia and, leaving, entrusted his parents to Merab. 302 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.300 "Regularly bring them potatoes to Malakhovka," is his testament. 303 00:33:52.300 --> 00:33:36.400 Merab kept his promise. 304 00:33:58.100 --> 00:34:04.800 - Now I'm thinking intensely about a snack. 00:34:07.300 --> 00:34:14.800 If you don't believe me, here you go: fried frog legs. 305 00:34:16.900 --> 00:34:25.200 - Merab. All the stories of his falling in love - he was dying, he was adoring the women he loved. 306 00:34:26.600 --> 00:34:34.300 He was a man of love. He was loving women when he loved, in the most devoted way. 307 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:48.500 When Merab loved a woman, he did everything for her, did everything with great pleasure. 00:34:55.500 --> 00:35:01.600 - He obviously repeatedly loved with the same force? 308 00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:07.800 - I think this has happened very few times in Merab's life. 309 00:35:08.300 --> 00:35:11.700 - Very many times? - Not many times. 00:35:11.700 --> 00:35:15.700 Merab was not a womanizer in the least. 310 00:35:15.700 --> 00:35:22.600 He loved ladies, but that was not his distinguishing feature. 00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:29.700 That is, to say that Merab was a womanizer is the same as saying that Merab was a drunkard. 311 00:35:29.700 --> 00:35:31.800 That there was absolutely neither one nor the other . 312 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.200 The only area where Merab could, in principle, cross someone's path is with some lady. 313 00:35:37.200 --> 00:35:40.800 But even that was completely impossible. 314 00:35:44.700 --> 00:35:47.700 Merab, in this sense, was an Oriental man. 315 00:35:47.700 --> 00:35:50.800 A friend, a friend's woman are holy. 316 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.300 In the sense in which you ask this question, of course, in vain. 317 00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:03.900 The philosopher is not for use. This must be understood. 318 00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:07.800 - And for what? - A philosopher in order to philosophizing. 319 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:11.800 And why should everyone understand everything? 320 00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.700 It is impossible to discover anything in philosophy, 00:36:14.700 --> 00:36:20.900 in the sense that you can discover something in chemistry, physics, or even mathematics. 321 00:36:20.900 --> 00:36:24.400 What did he do? He showed an example of thinking. 322 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:38.400 Together with Merab, the experience of free thinking, merged with personality and character, died. 324 00:36:39.100 --> 00:36:44.800 Freedom for him was a normal mode of existence. 325 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:49.700 Most free people are not born free. 326 00:36:49.700 --> 00:36:52.700 This is the hardest work. 327 00:36:52.700 --> 00:37:00.000 And this is the hardest work, where there are much more defeats than victories. 328 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:12.100 I think that freedom is, excuse me, an open state of the human soul. 330 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:22.900 This is when a person's soul lives in a space where there is a choice, 331 00:37:22.900 --> 00:37:31.900 where there is a solution, where there is suffering, where there is pleasure. 333 00:37:32.500 --> 00:37:37.900 But all these are points of this space. 334 00:37:37.900 --> 00:37:42.100 It's the loneliest job in the world. 335 00:37:42.100 --> 00:37:47.800 A person can work on freedom and in freedom, only one. 336 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:54.700 No one can free a person. If he was released, then he is a freedman, 337 00:37:54.700 --> 00:38:01.400 he is a freed slave, he is a serf who was given a break. 338 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:08.200 According to Merab, the Russian intelligentsia, again I emphasize, both Georgian, Armenian, and Ukrainian, 340 00:38:08.200 --> 00:38:14.900 could not develop their own position. 341 00:38:14.900 --> 00:38:20.100 Her position has always been a position of reaction to something, 342 00:38:20.100 --> 00:38:23.700 and, as a rule, to the same thing - to the regime of power. 343 00:38:23.700 --> 00:38:30.700 There was a fall from grace when it was possible to live without trying and cultivating 345 00:38:30.700 --> 00:38:39.800 (cultum - Latin), without nurturing, without strengthening, without going crazy with tension. 347 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.900 But it's over. There was a fall. 348 00:38:47.900 --> 00:38:57.000 - Thus, how many slaves does a crowded country produce so abundantly with free people? 349 00:38:59.600 --> 00:39:03.000 And why does nothing work out, but everything repeats? 350 00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:11.700 Nothing in Russia has ever been brought to existence. 351 00:39:11.700 --> 00:39:17.900 Of course, there was an urge to freedom. But it's only an urge if there are no muscles. 352 00:39:17.900 --> 00:39:26.700 The urge of a thought, but not a thought. There may be an urge of honor, and there may not be honor. 354 00:39:28.700 --> 00:39:32.400 And when we don't think accurately, the devil is playing with us. 355 00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:41.500 Otherwise, I want to say that in the sphere or in the field of thought, statements of the following kind are impossible: 357 00:39:42.700 --> 00:39:50.400 "I didn't think," I mean, "I didn't want this," "I had other intentions." 359 00:39:53.700 --> 00:40:00.000 Idiots of the sublime always want the best, 360 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.800 but for some reason they break their forehead, most often, however, not only to themselves, but to everyone around them. 362 00:40:42.100 --> 00:40:49.700 Merab, in this case, was very annoyed by this continuous claim to uniqueness. 364 00:40:49.700 --> 00:40:52.700 Well, there is a Russian soul, and there is a Zulu soul. So what? 365 00:40:52.700 --> 00:40:58.900 Papuan soul, Canadian soul... It's childhood. 366 00:40:58.900 --> 00:41:02.800 This is the childhood of thinking. This is some kind of hook. 367 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.800 Well, you can cling to it for a while, 368 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:14.700 but you can't hang yourself on this hook by the collar for life. 369 00:41:14.700 --> 00:41:23.000 In general, it's time for us to treat ourselves as normal people, one of many. 372 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.400 This is the beginning, if you will, of recovery. 373 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:34.400 - Specify. - Because... Well, how can I tell you? 374 00:41:34.200 --> 00:41:38.700 Well, here we are at the conference. Everyone behaves like normal people, 376 00:41:38.700 --> 00:41:45.200 they talk, I do not know, about excavations in central Iran, 377 00:41:45.200 --> 00:41:50.200 if they are archaeologists or orientalists, 379 00:41:50.200 --> 00:41:56.400 about some other amazing things, about some new books, films. 380 00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:02.700 And Russians talk about Russia, although they are not always asked about it. 382 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:08.700 Alcoholic's menu. Here, let's say, one of these cocktails, 383 00:42:10.100 --> 00:42:13.300 consisting, approximately, of the kind of explosives 384 00:42:13.300 --> 00:42:18.000 I was talking about (that is, toothpaste, something else), is called "Komsomolka Tear". 386 00:42:22.900 --> 00:42:29.400 Clear, the crystal clear drink "Komsomolka Tear". 387 00:42:31.200 --> 00:42:39.900 And so two dudes, sitting in these wine pairs, bending over one to the other and finding out 389 00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:44.700 who respects whom, moved on to one great topic and pose a classic Russian question. 390 00:42:45.500 --> 00:42:48.900 The question sounds like this: "What do you think, Ivan," 391 00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:56.100 one of them asks, "on which side of the Pyrenees is the Russian person more respected?" 392 00:42:56.100 --> 00:43:01.800 - I think it's Georgian. Everyone here is a good Georgian, so I am ready to enroll Bakhtin in the Georgians. 393 00:43:03.100 --> 00:43:13.000 - And the Greeks? - And Greeks to Georgians. - If earlier there was a way from the Varangians to the Greeks, now it will be from the Greeks to the Georgians. 394 00:43:15.300 --> 00:43:30.500 - As for the attacks against the Russians, how should I put it... And, in my opinion, he's right. 395 00:43:32.500 --> 00:43:40.500 Right. We need to swallow the pill. Bitterly, but right. 396 00:43:41.100 --> 00:43:55.300 Swallow the pill. I still hope that... How did he say wonderful? The genius of repetition. 397 00:43:58.700 --> 00:44:03.900 Nauseous. Maybe we'll be threw up at last. 399 00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:10.300 - Merab thought about the current situation extremely optimistically. 400 00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:20.000 He believed that this situation is simply unique in its possibilities, 401 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:25.800 and whether it is used by you or me or not is our business. 402 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:29.800 But, of course, we will complain if we fail 403 00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.900 and say, "Well, is it possible to deal with such dishonest people? 405 00:44:32.900 --> 00:44:35.500 We are surrounded by punks". 406 00:44:35.500 --> 00:44:38.600 But if it is, then there is something in us. 407 00:44:38.600 --> 00:44:43.900 Why are we surrounded by punks, and, say, Descartes was not? 408 00:44:43.900 --> 00:44:50.700 Notice how many years Descartes spent in one of the most terrible armies in the world 409 00:44:50.700 --> 00:44:54.300 during one of the most terrible wars in the world 411 00:44:54.300 --> 00:45:04.800 among the soldiers in the powder smoke, in an atmosphere of violence, death, blood. 412 00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:11.200 He never complained. Because he understood that this was his environment. 414 00:45:11.200 --> 00:45:17.100 He got there himself. He enlisted as an officer, a military engineer. 415 00:45:17.100 --> 00:45:21.600 You can say, "I didn't choose the surroundings." 416 00:45:21.600 --> 00:45:26.800 You know, this is a very dubious excuse. 417 00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:37.500 Merab said that consciously or unconsciously we choose almost everything and we take risks at the same time. 419 00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:45.700 - What are we choosing today in our homeland, in my homeland? Governments? 420 00:45:45.700 --> 00:45:53.600 - We don't choose governments ourselves, we choose our own lives and our own thinking. 421 00:45:54.700 --> 00:45:58.700 - Or non-thinking. - Or non-thinking. Or death. 423 00:46:26.700 --> 00:46:32.300 "No, it's not that hopeless," I coaxed myself, remembering that he was somewhere nearby. 424 00:46:35.300 --> 00:46:39.300 The day will come. He will come in our lecture room again. 425 00:46:39.300 --> 00:46:46.400 Looking into my eyes, he will push back his chair. And I will think again: "We live in the time of Merab." 427 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:59.000 - After all, this is a preparation for death. Or simply, the art of preparing for death. 428 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:02.500 And the Greeks knew how to die with dignity. 429 00:47:02.500 --> 00:47:06.200 What we may have lost, unlike the Greeks, is death. 430 00:47:06.200 --> 00:47:10.200 It is either hysterical - throwing herself into Bunkers together with the Fuhrer 431 00:47:10.200 --> 00:47:14.400 or individual suicide. 432 00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:21.800 Let's drink to the fact that we can die with dignity, like philosophers. 434 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:42.900 - Why do you think Tarkovsky is a good director? 435 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:49.100 Because he died. Pushkin also said that only the dead are loved in this country. 436 00:48:04.200 --> 00:48:09.400 He died on November 25, 1990 at Vnukovo airport. 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:14.200 - You're already falling asleep. 437 00:48:14.200 --> 00:48:18.800 I'm sorry. I warned you that this would happen. 438 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.900 Let's end on this cheerful note. 00:48:29.700 --> 00:48:33.700 The film featured fragments of lectures by Merab Mamardashvili. (tape recordings 1978-1990) 00:48:34.200 --> 00:48:37.600 Written and directed by OLESYA FOKINA 00:48:38.200 --> 00:48:41.400 Operator - SERGEY MOKRITSKY 00:48:42.100 --> 00:48:46.400 General Sponsor - ZURAB TSERETELI 00:48:47.300 --> 00:48:51.500 The text was read by MARINA NEELOVA and INNOKENTY SMOKTUNOVSKY